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  1. Unread #1 - Jul 12, 2022 at 12:55 AM
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    Suggestion - Ban Commisson Sales

    Here it goes.. You know I'm a smaller name seller, and just like ALOT of others trying to join the scene, Making accounts on sythe dropping donations to get somewhat of a trusting.. Anyways its come to my attention that ALL big name sellers keep doing "commission" sales, its been going on for a while, but the one that finally got me to release this suggestion was an individual with a system in place specifically for comission sales, As of now everything he and others are doing falls under "Grey Area" not technically against the rules, but if you look at it from an Open stand point and take all the details into consideration, What is being done is Essentially 3 things, Outsourcing, Monopolizing, and Open Market.. Back long ago essentially all name sellers could get a chance at the market because The big name sellers couldn't keep up with all names, They would buy the most but their would be some left for the smaller sellers, With the way it is now, its basically out of control, and that individual took it one step further. I would like to suggest that "Commission Sales' be made against sythe rules Completely for EVERYONE. If that were the case everyone would have the opportunity to be in part of the market again. The examples for the 3 issues listed above would be ->

    Monopolized, as it stands the big sellers don't have unlimited money, but they don't need it as ALL the names they dont buy they just list.

    Outsourcing -> Unfortunately CANT PROVE THIS is happening but if you think about how easy it is to hide the outsource with this being allowed, Essentially they never allow you talk to the owner of the name, They list it for whatever they want and then also do the xfer, the owner might have wanted 2B for a name that was listed for 5B, they basically just outsourced that name for profit and xfer fees.

    Open Market -> Allowing names to be listed by Anyone under your responsibility is a huge grey area, basically an open market with a loophole.

    Anyways Sorry about the long message, I have thought about every detail and would love to hear your opinion, I understand the big name sellers are BIG donators on sythe, but if you add up all the smaller name sellers that donate $200-$500 USD, I think we deserve to get a little bit of assistance from the platform we use. Thanks for taking the time to read and let me know if you have any questions or feedback.
     
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    Yeah, I support it, ONLY FOR NAMES! if you did this to the gold market it be in bad place, 10%-20% (with me 0% of time though, since I like to hold the gold so I record) of the time your trade gold seller we have you trading another customer, I can see how this can be an issue with names,

    I think the rules are too lose, as you could be trading a name for ban evader or something, or the same may not be presented at time of the trade, which unlike gold you don't have 800 other sources to get the gold from as there is only a single name
     
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    I can see your point of view, but the markets are meant to be competitive... I know it's a pain in the ass, but it is what it is.

    When we established as a service provider, there were way bigger names on the picture, and we knew that. So we just had to beat them by offering better services in overall.

    The way I see it, you could do the same as them or offer more for their names, or even both.

    Out of curiosity, do you transfer the names on your own, or you ask someone else?

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    Support, especially considering you don't own the property/name... *cough* certain people, like these big name sellers *cough*
     
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    Suggestion - Ban Commisson Sales

    As one of these big high donor name sellers, I Fully Support for Name Sales banning all commission sales

    As @Toxic has stated, this has really gotten out of hand now to the point its borderline advertising a trading server and it can be depending on the way you look at it. This will push potential new Sythe Members to avoid Sythe all together and it will just hurt the website. Why make a Sythe account and advertise on Sythe if you can add it for resale prices publicly in a separate discord? This is also a problem that @Pikachu brought up as ban evaders can take advantage of this. Its easier to ban evade on Discord but on Sythe ban evading is difficult (as we can see from the Ban Evader Report Section) and we recently saw this occur with a banned user on a fresh discord alt, listing a name through another large name seller Toxic mentions above. I understand dealing with DNT users isn't against Sythe rules, but giving them a platform to advertise easily can be dangerous. The main argument here is that its a free market blah blah, but there are market regulations in place irl for lots of different things for lots of different valid reasons and this should at least be looked at and discussed by staff. Where this is leading is a bunch of the big sellers (like myself) will have a huge selection of names we don't own and are reselling. The market will legit turn into like the Macy's or the Nordstrom of real life. Massive retail markets and nothing else and I'm not sure that is a good thing for Sythe or for the Community

    A whole other conversation can be had on outsourcing account sales or services as well tbh

     
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    support, in the end even tho its a competitive market we are all in this together so might as well support each other and dont push other in the ground right?
     
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    With what @Assassin mentioned just wanna chime in, I did mention something like a year or so ago about outsourcing etc and it was ruled out as long as it's mentioned that you are outsourcing it's completely fine (customer has to know then np) so services etc aren't really on the same ground as the current
     
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    Supporting this, makes fully sense lol
     
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    Suggestion - Ban Commisson Sales

    why beat around the bush saying "big name sellers" when everyone knows its just 1... Don't be a pussy and just straight up @ @AchillesOSRS...

    as per the previous reports:
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    currently Sythe allow this due to the vigorous checks such as "user cannot advertise their name actively for sale on sythe whilst it is posted in his discord.

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    "For the duration that your Runescape Name is listed in our discord ( 〔〕community-sales ) you may not advertise it elsewhere. Whether that be Sythe or other discords. Listing in other locations may result in a Sythe report/Removal from this discord. If you choose to delist, you may not relist elsewhere or advertise the name for 14 days afterwards."

    All he has done is monopolised on names which sellers do not want to hold (shit name, cash flow problems, too many names already etc) - nothing is stopping you from doing the same.


    People who buy/sell names will often seek out the likes of @AchillesOSRS or @Assassin to transfer their names for a fee anyway - all this does is provide an easier way to do this.

    lets face it, if a small name seller had done this, or someone who does not sell names, like @Titanite who wrote the bot in question here, you wouldn't be half as pissed.

    no support from me - this seems more of a "im pissed off, change the rules" rather than an a legit suggestion.
     
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    NO SUPPORT

    I'm an average andy that got into the name market a year or two ago, collected a handful of names. I was interested in selling off some of my names recently, but I wasn't interested in selling them at 30-40% of what they're actually worth to some name seller. I could try to advertise my name on Sythe (did that with other names a while back), but usually doesn't go fast and takes effort in keeping a thread bumped with all semi-autobumpers out there. This 'commission'-selling is a great system for people like me to advertise my name and I feel like Achilles' efforts (platform, advertising, mm+transfer,...) in the whole deal do deserve the small payment we as sellers have to give up.
     
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    I'm out of the loop here,

    so basically the user who runs this service, has a discord server where you can advertise your name in his discord, which is an open market for anyone to post their names? but he also offers a middle man service and name transfer service with that? which is what the last posts are referring to?
     
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    I wouldn't say it is an open market, as the name you submit needs to be approved by the server owner. Once approved, it then gets posted in a channel without seller being mentioned. Once a candidate buyer shows interest a chat is made with the owner notifying you there is a candidate, the owner will let you know an ETA when all parties are available to make the sale happen. The owner will middleman the transaction while transferring the name.
     
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    Yo guys got to remember this isnt a Report Post against anyone, This is a Suggestion for all Name Sellers
     
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    Depends on the value of the name really.
     
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    Nah man this isnt a Im pissed off, as mentioned in the post, if that were the case this would be under "reports" this is a Suggestion for all name sellers not just @AchillesOSRS As you Mentioned.
     
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    I'll support this. I think you should only be able to advertise items that you have for sale, or that are for sale by nobody else on sythe. Outsourcing is VERY hard to prove, and honestly if a non-sythe user who doesn't feel comfortable making an account wants to have a sythe user sell his name I think there's no harm in that. The harm comes with the commission, where sythe users are paying higher names to achieve higher prices/more sales.

    that's all.
     
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    I don't care at all with the outcome of this. But isn't this what service providers do? With services and GP sales?
     
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    If you mean outsourcing yes, a lot of higher names do that. I think there was a lot like the name situation a good few threads and they updated that too, and as of right now I think I am one if not the only person who doesn't do it
     
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    Yeh without clients it’s hard to break any rules right?

    But you didn’t understand what I said, or you just chose to be ignorant.

    What I meant is if other people work for a service provider it will be also more expensive for the client since there will be commission for the server. So, just tell the workers to post a thread themselves so they do cheaper services then providers.
    See how stupid it sounds?

    And no, you’re not the only one who doesn’t outsource. We have 140+ boosters, each of them with more deposit then any of your guys. Stop putting yourself in a position where you’re the best in everything and others are shit. There’s a reason why you’re still small after all this years.
     
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    Isn't that usually what happens when you work for someone? As someone who owns a service yourself you should know about the ways of commission

    Small mention - I haven't put time into fully advertising after my old server got banned, you know because its not a big deal and what we have so far works. Now instead of you being a little bitch with the rude comments thinking I'm "being bias" I was simply pointing out something you did yourself about expenses etc, of course people will go for the cheaper option that's natural. With that being said if people are like we have seen recently with the decline in server mass are sticking to discord, its also very possible they will still use these said "expensive providers" who outsource the work as well

    I'll try find a few links when I'm on pc later for you, so I'll quote then as I know there was me and a few others who mentioned the issues with it. Maybe just maybe we should bring some attention to it again if this gets approved?

    If I wanted to make out I'm the best btw, I would of bought up how I dominated every market I touched before they declined :)
     
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