[DENIED] stricter punishments for outsourcing without customer approval/knowledge

Thanks for posting about this, to be honest I almost forgot about this rule:S

 

Sorry if it seems like people are out to attack each other that wasn’t the point, the image also shown of the giant outsource I know who that from and there has clearly been people who have been reported who still continue today.

I have nothing wrong with people wanting to make money as efficiently as possible but at the same time when you’re doing it at the risk of your customers pretending you have “private workers” and all this other crap it’s clearly a lie.

Another that really grinds my teeth is that you sit there thinking it’s fine to tarnish these peoples names via your little grand scale of profiting and marketing how much profit you make off them.

 

Not sure why it didn’t quote you when I clicked it, but comment above and thanks!

 

This seems fair, I think in some cases maybe even a DNT on 2nd offense is fine if the mod team finds the violations that bad. I think that outsourcing isn't great for everyone as it just takes away from real workers.

 

Exactly my point behind the thread, and if these were "real official workers" they should be paid like it, not like dirt.

 

this is an interesting discussion that opens up a whole system of potential reform, and I think outsourcing services is a whole other discussion by itself.

should service owners be allowed to outsource services? if so, should outsourced service providers be paid a fair wage compared to other workers under the owner? if no, revert back to question 1.

being paid a fair wage should be a human right, and not based on the economy the service provider resides in. these service owners are being paid real money, presumably declaring it on their taxes; therefore like any corporation/business should, their workers deserve a fair wage. it's akin to american companies taking advantage of foreign workers who work for pennies on the dollar... but like i said, this is a whole other discussion.

i support stricter punishment for employers who outsource services without the customer's knowledge, as well as stricter punishments for any outsourced employee who scams, with the onus falling on the employer.

 

support. deception is what it is.

 

@Dbuffed , I see what you mean and I really agree with you because if another service provider come to me with a order that was placed to him and he give me the account that mean 4 people will know the account info causing major problem if something goes missing.

Where I do disagree is about the price. there is a reason why price are cheaper and I believe we talked about this. the reason is cheaper is because they have blackout and there is always some delays with is why I put in my TOS that there might be delay.

another thing is that my team is super big and at least they making $300-400 per month with mean am probably the only one paying them the best rate. others people that use Venezuelan they pay this people .40/hour even for quests like ds2/mm2 with cost 25-35m. mean while I charge the price of the quest and my team still making those 20m.

I know there a load of people that use Venezuelan and they abuse those people. if I had the power I would take all the venezuelan under me.

but yeah I agree to give perm DNT if they are found outsourcing the work without letting the customer know. am pretty sure everyone know this rule. they just act like a bunch of ignorant.

 

This would make me feel terrible, if i pay a service provider say 500$ for 99runecrafting, Then they pay a Venezualan, example 100 or 200$ of that whilst they pocket 300$ A nice payday ! I would rather a set fee say >80% of service cost to the person DOING the job!

Some decent proposals i can think of that arent too hard for HONEST service owners.

>80% of payment for the workers, Rest to wherever. Maybe the Higher ups will start working a bit more.

each worker to have their own dedicated discord account IN THE SERVER, NO hiding a family/farm behind one account. Each worker with their Own deposits.

each Worker, internal/external (if its a worker from another discord, must be made clear to client of their deposits over there) to have to pay a deposit, deposit correlating with the tier of jobs they can do. All verified/ Kept track of.

Any worker that hasnt made a deposit, Owner takes full responsibility of punishment for any scams and refunds, No matter of TOS "we arent responsible for deaths/bans/lost wealth" bullshitaki - You risk the clients account, you take the responsibility for their actions.

 

That is exactly what I do. I pay them 70-80% not by hours since if I were to pay by hour that would be like $70 per month. Meanwhile my team get about $300-400 every month and this depend how much they do. If they do a job that cost $10 the whole week by been lazy then they get $7-$8. I like been fair with my team but there are people that run services that would make them work even if they are about to die... to be honest we should even make some rules and find a way to support the Venezuelan like that no one can take advantage of them.

 

Sorry for not replying sooner, as I said I would to you on discord @Death ,

The problem I am facing personally is that these services in question are exploiting people who are essentially just shark bait for them in order to profit more than they typically would otherwise. It's clear that there is more than enough valid proof of at least 4-5 services who have all came together doing it, of which I wont drop names until this is actually confirmed to be able to happen regardless of if they stop doing it or not they have profited enough off the labour of others.

One thing I do not condone also - When you hire these "third parties" pretending they are you, you brag about how much you make, you're paying them 30M but making 200-300M off a service request, that's just greedy as fuck and you know it yourself. It's just a shame really, I mean to prove a point that should be equal to how they should be treated is paying them the correct % like you said.

We have 1 venne on our team, his name is @RevengeV and he is a good lad, any time he wants a order the ticket is pretty much there for him so he can make money that he wants in his own time at his own pace, we have no desire to exploit him for lower costs as he is paid the original 80% to him as per our normal hiring agreements. I don't see how it's so hard, and I understand that sometimes servicing can be overwhelming and maybe people are just too lazy to want to wait for their workers to come free, but this does NOT MEAN you should exploit these people based on their nature of wanting to survive as much as possible and provide for their families as much as possible to pocket your own funds.

 

Exactly, there are a good 4-5 services out there two of which are fairly big names who take advantage and outsource without permission together, it's a shame that things like this continue to this day - I understand the cheap labour and wanting to make as much as you can for as little time as you can and i'm all for that, but when you're a complete filth bag who quite clearly lies, manipulates and bullshits his way into a few dollars extra that's where I say no way.

 

whos guilty?

 

99% of services are, they all do it all know they shouldn't, and really don't care too much.

 

I do agree with this. I pay my workers 80% and sometime depending on the order I pay them 70%.
where I disagree is adding the team to the discord because trust me it will be a mess lmao.

My first time I did this I added my team after 2 months I had to kick my whole team from my discord because the way they word things is a bit messed and caused trouble in the main discord. I not trying to hide my team but imagine having 20 workers going rogue in your main discord it would be a total mess.

just my second discord where I have them is already a place of party so I couldn't afford to keep my main discord like a party station xD. I was everything clear and as much professional I can keep my discord

other's might hide them and pay them shit. just as @Dbuffed said there are people that are really paying them less than $40 a month and he have 4-5 and I know one for sure who is doing this stuff.

EDIT: ALSO, my price are some what cheaper and imagine when people come to me they want the service to be even cheaper that what the price is LOL... even though my team is not in my discord my manager that is also a Venezuelan have see me when somebody disrespect my team I go crazy I refund their money from the service not completed and kick them even if they have spend $2000+ I don't care if they leave my services I would kick their ass from my discord to anyone that disrespect my team

 

This shows how you, Dbuffed, and anyone who supports this doesn't understand how Sythe works.
They're paying a premium service to be done by someone's trusted. The liability during the service is on the service provider (whoever has the account/rep), so the service is in fact being done by someone trusted

 

So it seems by the way you worded this that you are saying "without customer approval/knowledge". The thing is, this is already the rules.

Read this report here: MrGinger Outsourcing his customers work.
"Not a scam report, and outsourcing work is allowed under sythe rules as long as the client is aware". That must mean that "outsourcing work when the client is not aware is not allowed".

That line by Jason makes this suggestion useless, as it is already a rule that it is not all

Outsourcing without permission isn't allowed buddy, that is already a Sythe rule

This suggestion should be closed as it's already a sythe rule

 

You want stricter punishments for employers who outsource services without the customers knowledge. Could you or Dbuffed showed me a few reports where the report was made because a customer was angry at a service provider for outsourcing without their knowledge? Genuinely, I couldn't find any