Steorn back-EMF cancellation motor replicated

http://www.steorn.com/

http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm

Incredibly exciting.

 

[Deacon Frost]

This has me really interested. I wanna build one now. I have the magnet part down, as for harvesting the electricity, it'd take a lot more supplies than I can get.

If they switched to EMF, dams would become obsolete, tbh. This is really quite interesting, and much easier than fusion .

 

This has me really interested. I wanna build one now. I have the magnet part down, as for harvesting the electricity, it'd take a lot more supplies than I can get.

Attach it to an old bicycle?

I'm waiting for the french guy (that is actually what we call him) to do more tests first. If he confirms COP > 1.0, I'll build one to verify.

If they switched to EMF, dams would become obsolete, tbh. This is really quite interesting, and much easier than fusion .

If the laws of conversation of energy turn out not to hold true, or this turns out to be a novel way pull energy from the environment, then the paradigm shift is basically unrivaled. It will be as big a leap as from the stick to the plow.

 

[FreedomFight]

If the laws of conversation of energy turn out not to hold true

I can't believe you are considering this. If energy can be created, so can mass I suppose; turning nothing into something. If anything, I thought you'd be the skeptic. Free-energy hoaxes have been going on for ages. I heard about this one a long time ago... and recently, it was decredited by his own hand-picked panel of scientists.

There's absolutely nothing to get excited about here. All I see is a guy making a hoax for commercial gain (note how all his up-close demos have failed).

 

I can't believe you are considering this. If energy can be created, so can mass I suppose;

I don't hold the position that mass and energy are the same thing, or even interchangeable.

If anything, I thought you'd be the skeptic. Free-energy hoaxes have been going on for ages.

I am always the skeptic. I've been keenly following overunity claims for many years, and I've seen all the hoaxes come and go. If you read a bit of scientific history, half the best inventions were called overunity or impossible before they broke into the mainstream. There's nothing illogical about conducting further research into the physical nature of things. Afterall the laws of physics were derrived in exactly this way, and are thereby on equal footing with any new repeatable phenomena discovered.

I heard about this one a long time ago... and recently, it was decredited by his own hand-picked panel of scientists.

In neutral fairness, the steorn jury's statement was they were given no evidence to suggest overunity.

There's absolutely nothing to get excited about here. All I see is a guy making a hoax for commercial gain (note how all his up-close demos have failed).

The independent replication of the phenomenon is what this thread is about.

 

[FreedomFight]

I don't hold the position that mass and energy are the same thing, or even interchangeable.

Not surprising; if you hold Newtonian physics at doubt, Einstienian must be some far off alien realm.

This of course is after hundreds of experiments where both special and general relativity have held their ground (this theory IS falsifiable).

I am always the skeptic. I've been keenly following overunity claims for many years, and I've seen all the hoaxes come and go.

I suppose the skeptic would assume hoax until documented proof of otherwise. That's not what I'm seeing here.

In neutral fairness, the steorn jury's statement was they were given no evidence to suggest overunity.

Neutral fairness? How so? His hand-picked jury said there was NO evidence. No evidence, particulary from partial jury, should not be considered a statement of neutrality.

The independent replication of the phenomenon is exciting, and this is chiefly what this thread is about.

The device wasn't documented or tested properly. This video is nothing different than the hundreds out there that "prove" psychokinesis is real.

 

[Deacon Frost]

Attach it to an old bicycle?

I was actually thinking of making a modified pin wheel and slightly changing it so on each pin is 2 magnets, one with a like pole and one with an unlike pole. Then you have the two on each side of the pin wheel, both push and pull on the wheel, which, I think, would allow it to start spinning without any manual turning and such...

Something I thought about all night .

I'm waiting for the french guy (that is actually what we call him) to do more tests first. If he confirms COP > 1.0, I'll build one to verify.

I just wanna try it out, the two sites you provided had some information, but it wasn't really thorough. Is there a journal about this yet?

If the laws of conversation of energy turn out not to hold true, or this turns out to be a novel way pull energy from the environment, then the paradigm shift is basically unrivaled. It will be as big a leap as from the stick to the plow.

Well, yeah... I guess =/. There's a lot of new discoveries that we're coming into, and it'd be foolish to not accept the possibility that some of what we know to be true, to be false.

This whole thing is very plausible.

 

I had a longer reply but it was lost in the ddos attack.

Not surprising; if you hold Newtonian physics at doubt, Einstienian must be some far off alien realm.

This of course is after hundreds of experiments where both special and general relativity have held their ground (this theory IS falsifiable).

Topic until another day. Really to prove mass/energy interchangeability one would need to demonstrate the formation of mass from energy. The hypothetical particle which supposedly gives a wave-packet mass is conspicuously absent from empirical results.

I suppose the skeptic would assume hoax until documented proof of otherwise. That's not what I'm seeing here.


Neutral fairness? How so? His hand-picked jury said there was NO evidence. No evidence, particulary from partial jury, should not be considered a statement of neutrality.

Firstly, the thread only addresses the replication of the back-EMF cancellation effect. -- With, originally, no arguments made either way. Just a statement of the facts.

Secondly, what I meant by no evidence was literally that. The jury were given no evidence, no material except a spreadsheet I believe. Steorn is completely incompetent, but generally this is referred to as a mistrial. Hence the term "in neutral fairness".

The device wasn't documented or tested properly. This video is nothing different than the hundreds out there that "prove" psychokinesis is real.

Well again, this hasn't relevance to the reproduction of the new physical phenomenon in question.

 

[FreedomFight]

I had a longer reply but it was lost in the ddos attack.

Yea. Seems these script-kiddies never get bored.

Topic until another day. Really to prove mass/energy interchangeability one would need to demonstrate the formation of mass from energy

I'm pretty sure it's been done or at least inferred from the vice versa. That is, in both nuclear fission + fusion, a small amount of mass is lost and converted into pure energy. I suppose I'll stop at that and we can discuss this another time.

Firstly, the thread only addresses the replication of the back-EMF cancellation effect. -- With, originally, no arguments made either way. Just a statement of the facts.

Secondly, what I meant by no evidence was literally that. The jury were given no evidence, no material except a spreadsheet I believe. Steorn is completely incompetent, but generally this is referred to as a mistrial. Hence the term "in neutral fairness".

When you cut through the mumbo jumbo, you get to the conclusion that he hasn't documented empirical evidence of overunity yet.

Well again, this hasn't relevance to the reproduction of the new physical phenomenon in question.

I think the better discussion here is whether or not the "new physical phenomenon" was even reproduced.

 

When you cut through the mumbo jumbo, you get to the conclusion that he hasn't documented empirical evidence of overunity yet.


I think the better discussion here is whether or not the "new physical phenomenon" was even reproduced.

I agree.

There are more replication videos coming out. No one has confirmed any overunity yet, so far it just looks like a very efficient new motor. However the phenomenon is suggesting of possible 'overunity'. Specifically: instead of having to drag the rotor away from the stator, one can just 'zap' the stator with a relatively cheap pulse of energy and pull the rotor away freely; Effectively producing an asymetry between the toward and away-from aspects of magnetic transaction.

Now of course, just like the discovery of nuclear energy, just because one apparently is getting something for free it does not necessarily follow that the law of conservation of energy is being violated. No one really knows why static magnets are magnetic. The principle of 'electron spin' is essentially an impossible fairy tale (ie electrons would have to spin faster than the speed of light to achieve the magnetic field), and thus is just taken as a root-premise / assumption.

 

[Deacon Frost]

No one really knows why static magnets are magnetic. The principle of 'electron spin' is essentially an impossible fairy tale (ie electrons would have to spin faster than the speed of light to achieve the magnetic field), and thus is just taken as a root-premise assumption.

My brother brought up a good point, he says it should be tried in a 0 gravity environment. I agree that, that would help with the proposal.

 

[FreedomFight]

Now of course, just like the discovery of nuclear energy, just because one apparently is getting something for free it does not necessarily follow that the law of conservation of energy is being violated.

Yes, if the device was proven to work properly, this would be the next stance to take.

My brother brought up a good point, he says it should be tried in a 0 gravity environment. I agree that, that would help with the proposal.

I don't think gravity is relevant. More relevant is a zero-friction environment.