SRR - Offsite Offenses

If a person can have no consideration for other people's emotions or people's work - why would we want them in our community? If offsite scamming was allowed, people who aren't savvy with the market get scammed as is, nevermind with scammers left, right and centre.

Also, how are we to know who the 'offsite scammers' are? Personally, if scammers were allowed to post around Sythe people are just going to trade with select members and newcomers will find it even harder to become eatablished in the market if they could potentially be a scammer and be allowed on Sythe still.

What I like about Sythe is the quick dealings with scam reports and feeling you're in a place where scammers are unwelcome.

+1 to the TWC idea, though. Personally, I voted 2 years not including black hat. One year is no way near enough time to have "reformed character" in a year someone could have built up a business, become well known/seen and donated a considerable amount - to then go on and scam someone because they're seen as reputable. If we're going to let scammers in then I vote as long as possible, but not forever because I do believe people mature - but it should be a couple of years at least.

 

Remove it all together, people change. Not everyone will act out the same due to previous incidents. Even for something bad as black hat. :/

A lot of reports are of offsite scammers, which infact can grow the community if most don't plan on doing the previous act. Everyone deserves a second chance.

Going in the protective state isn't always the liable option. I learned that as well

 

[cosrob97]

Little questions: Are you viewing the votes as removing black hats/not removing it? I'm asking because if the "remove all together" has more votes out of the category it would technically win, but not be a true indication of the public as more people have voted for some variation of the rule.

 

I've seen many people get banned in one forum and go legit in other. #1

 

[Eru]

I've seen many people get banned in one forum and go legit in other. #1

Same reason why I voted on #1.

 

[n4n0]

I've seen many people get banned in one forum and go legit in other. #1

What were they banned for though is the question? Something minor, I can understand. Scamming a bil and coming straight here after.... Uh, doubtful.

 

[Punjabi3]

I've seen many people get banned in one forum and go legit in other. #1

I've also seen people get banned on powerbot who scammed a few hundred mil and come here to scam a few couple bils. The minority who come here to be legit is way smaller than the majority who come here to scam some more.

Scamming off site should always be banned until they are unbanned on the forum they scammed on.

 

[stringcheese]

I think we should add a stature of limitations of 6 months - 12 months but with certain conditions...

My idea is to make a sub-section of the pardon forum called Confessional, where users who scammed/broke rules on other sites post their story (after the stature time passes) and admit to their wrongdoings but promise to not let it happen again. Similar to how introductions are made.

My touch on the above rule would be to make it so that users have 1 week to post their confessional from time of joining sythe. If they don't post within a week, then if staff/users find out that the user scammed offsite (even if it is after the stature time), then the user gets perm banned year ban for being dishonest.

The great part of the the above is that users in the confessional can be issued a TWC with a thread pointing to it or can be put in a certain group to differentiate them. After a certain period of time it can be removed but otherwise the user has to bear with it and gain the trust back.

Black-Hat: I believe unless a user attacked sythe or another sythe user, that it should be removed all together. This is something completely unrelated to sythe - "craigslist of virtual goods". While I do not support black-hat activity, I don't think it has any impact on a users ability to contribute to sythe, just a lack of maturity.

Edit: We could also make a new OSS label that gets put by users who post in the confessionals or just give them TWC's. I think its a great idea because people who want to ban evade (due to off site offences) will do so anyway and make an account. This way, if a user wants to become legit and show that he/she can change, he will deal with the twc/oss label and contribute to sythe in a positive manner.

 

[S]

I think we should add a stature of limitations of 6 months - 12 months but with certain conditions...

My idea is to make a sub-section of the pardon forum called Confessional, where users who scammed/broke rules on other sites post their story (after the stature time passes) and admit to their wrongdoings but promise to not let it happen again. Similar to how introductions are made.

My touch on the above rule would be to make it so that users have 1 week to post their confessional from time of joining sythe. If they don't post within a week, then if staff/users find out that the user scammed offsite (even if it is after the stature time), then the user gets perm banned year ban for being dishonest.

The great part of the the above is that users in the confessional can be issued a TWC with a thread pointing to it or can be put in a certain group to differentiate them. After a certain period of time it can be removed but otherwise the user has to bear with it and gain the trust back.

Black-Hat: I believe unless a user attacked sythe or another sythe user, that it should be removed all together. This is something completely unrelated to sythe - "craigslist of virtual goods". While I do not support black-hat activity, I don't think it has any impact on a users ability to contribute to sythe, just a lack of maturity.

I like this idea.

As someone stated before, applying TWC's to people who have scammed offsite/in the past on other sites, is a good idea. The TWC can be removed if agreed upon by staff after a certain duration, if that user proves his legitimacy, etc.

 

[I_DONT_BOT]

Leave it as it is. If they want to scam, they don't deserve to come here, neither do they if they are hackers/phishers. TBH, if they are banned on any gold market, they ought to be banned here (if it's for a legit reason like scamming, not being a dick)

 

[Kenpen]

Leave it how it is, Works fine and there is no point messing up the way the system works and bringing in more scum.

 

[Punjabi3]

I wouldn't mind it staying how it is as long as all offences are treated differently when it comes to pardoning. Little things like shell booting and DDoS should be treated much more lightly than keylogging/ off-site scamming.

Also is off site scamming being included in this? I know several people would support off site black hat activities having a limitation but I don't think they would feel the same way about off site scamming.

 

[mage3158]

I think there should be some time in between their "activities". I don't think someone who scammed yesterday on powerbot be allowed here, at least not without a TWC.

 

[n4n0]

Those of you voting to have the rule completely removed, in my honest opinion, are going to be the some ones crying to have the rule brought back when we have convicted scammers from other sites flooding into sythe and getting away with murder if this vote actually closes in favor of that decision.

I'm sorry but there needs to be some sort of action taken against users who scam billions on another site and immediately come here afterwards. Allowing them free access is a joke.

 

[Noam]

Offsite scamming should have a limitation of 2 years whereas blackhat should have a limitation of 1 year. Quite simply blackhat is much less likely to actually harm Sythe users. Overall the amount of attempted hackings won't change since the people who are out to hack members are the ones who are out to scam. Those who hack third parties aren't particularly relevant.

 

What were they banned for though is the question? Something minor, I can understand. Scamming a bil and coming straight here after.... Uh, doubtful.

Scamming a few mils. But as you guys are too strict, I'd rather try removing the full rule and making exceptional cases such as bils scammed banned.

 

[WeRnIE]

Leave as it is, if someone did something really bad and there is decent proof, then that person deserves a TWC at least.

 

[x339]

Those of you voting to have the rule completely removed, in my honest opinion, are going to be the some ones crying to have the rule brought back when we have convicted scammers from other sites flooding into sythe and getting away with murder if this vote actually closes in favor of that decision.

I'm sorry but there needs to be some sort of action taken against users who scam billions on another site and immediately come here afterwards. Allowing them free access is a joke.

And you're going to be the one complaining when russia invades the US and tries to blow us all up.

See how easy it was to make some random statement and try to say it's true?

Those of you voting to have the rule completely removed, in my honest opinion, are going to be the some ones crying to have the rule brought back when we have convicted scammers from other sites flooding into sythe and getting away with murder if this vote actually closes in favor of that decision.

How the fuck do you know that? You're just saying that to try and make it seem like you're right. That's just some made up statement and has no credibility. Just because you think something should be done one way does not make it the absolute truth.

 

[Punjabi3]

Scamming a few mils. But as you guys are too strict, I'd rather try removing the full rule and making exceptional cases such as bils scammed banned.

Why would you want someone who scammed on this site in the first place? If they scammed a few mils what do you think their judgement is like when it comes to a couple of bils being handled on sythe?

If I go on powerbot and scam you for runescape gold, then come here and message you saying "hey, I remember you I scammed you on powerbot. What's up man"

How would you feel? I wouldn't be banned because I only scammed you for a few mils on powerbot.

Its not fair to those who joined this site after being scammed on another to have those same scammers doing trades here.

And you're going to be the one complaining when russia invades the US and tries to blow us all up.

See how easy it was to make some random statement and try to say it's true?



How the fuck do you know that? You're just saying that to try and make it seem like you're right. That's just some made up statement and has no credibility. Just because you think something should be done one way does not make it the absolute truth.

Lol did you really just come to flame his post?

His post is true, if we allow off site scammers back sythe will become a huge mess and people will be complaining about why we are letting off site scammers find comfort on sythe.

 

[x339]

Lol did you really just come to flame his post?

His post is true, if we allow off site scammers back sythe will become a huge mess and people will be complaining about why we are letting off site scammers find comfort on sythe.

If someone has intent to scam on sythe, they're going to do it whether on their original account or vading because they got banned, so why just ban everyone? If they're going to scam, they're going to scam, banning everyone isn't going to change that.

Plus we have moderators, and isn't their job to deal with scammers?