Something needs to be done about the "Runescape Account Rentals & Other Services" Section

I propose that it should be made a requirement to post from a Home IP to offer a rental service, in the VERY LEAST.

Unlike almost every other service on this website. Maxed Main Rentals cannot be middle manned and are frequently trusted with hundreds of millions of gold. <- This is one of the largest problems that makes this section unique to other sections. There can be no middleman, so there is NO safety for anyone wishing to rent an account. It will always be a trust trade.

It's essentially the easiest way to scam new Sythe members for large amounts of gold.
(frequently 50m 07+)

Why? because there is no way of catching them before they scam. No one is going to pay a 2m+ 07gp whip deposit just to find out if the scammers maxed main is on the blacklisted accounts thread. And if they did, then these guys would be able to create a new account with a VPN and make money just off of having people pay to see if they are a scammer or not.

Most recently (10 mins ago), another person has reported to have been scammed for 50m+ @Arcanity - I personally reported him 3+ times and warned mods about him, but nothing could be done besides infractions. And only AFTER he scammed 50m from a guy does he get banned? We need way better prevention.


Heres a short list of what I could find in the few weeks that I've been here.

@Streakz , @Juicy Rentals , @BearShottt , @locoP7 , @Flawless Rentals , @Vio Stakes , @Rent A Staker , @Plagueship , @RichNoobIRL , @HakRig , @Ramsdaman

- This isn't even nearly the full list in the past 2-3 weeks.

This problem stems from a much bigger problem regarding Ban Evaders using VPN's.

There needs to be some kind of better management regarding people making brand new accounts every single day, renting out their same maxed main, and then scamming for 50m+

This isn't a rare occasion. Take a look at the section. It's completely filled with banned users because they scammed.

This is taking away Billions of RSGP from circulating around Sythe, It takes away future long term customers for REAL maxed main renters, and takes away a portion of the sythe user base because I bet if you ran the statistics, many of these people that get scammed for such large amounts don't come back. To top it all off, these scams ruins this websites reputation.

 

Strongly agree with this shit, that section is a scammer infested shithole.

Alongside home-ip I strongly suggest these 2 requirements for MAKING a thread (NOT VIEWING!)
100 Post count
2 week old account

 

Agreed. I think this service requires a certain vouch count/join period/post count

OR each individual should get some sort of verified logo from an Mod based on if they can be trusted . this should be visible on the thread so people who look to rent can distinguish whose verified and whose not

 

I do agree about having requirements to post. Honestly, I'd apply it to more sections too although that's a longer discussion.

Also, don't know how you'd be able to verify it's a home ip? Who would be monitoring such posts/ip checks?

 

Market restrictions have never in history been placed on any section.

Names and accounts are far worse and have no restrictions still, I see no reason why this would change Sythes attitude towards restricting market.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, frankly if I had it my way I would favor restrictions in particular markets, but because I know it wont ever happen(never has) its a no support from me.

 

A site wide solution to the ban evader/scammer problem is also acceptable for me

But also I don't think the reasoning that because:

Then there should be no new changes. I think these sort of changes are necessary. Why would we ever not want to have a stricter policy towards scammers/ban evaders.

But yeah. I don't know Sythes history. It's a 12+ year old forum and there still is almost nothing in place to protect it's members. So I must be missing something?

I'd love to hear why this is so.

 

So you support him, but you don't because it hasn't ever happend before? therefor you're not supporting? that doesn't make much sense. If enough people want this implemented It'll probably be implemented. I'm sure that a lot of people get scammed by new people and therefor leave sythe aswell. Less scammers = more happy customers

 

I've hearned somsthing About being able to sue people,

If sythe can swap Some rules so scammers are sueable, time to fuck scammers bad?

Would ALSO be good

 

I would support a sticky outlining the dangers of renting and to make sure you trust the person you rent from, but market restrictions will not happen because it's a free market.

 

Well in the real world there are also restricted markets. I dont see why there cant be restricted sections on Sythe. You have to look at it from a pros and cons kind of way. Would the pros (less scammers, possibly more activity) outweigh the cons (a small restriction)? If more people and up using rental services with restrictions than without restrictions I dont see why we shouldnt restrict it.

 

The whole point of sythe is that it's a free market though.

 

It would still be a free market.

We already IP ban people who are scammers. They aren't free to come back. But they still work around it because it's the internet and not in real life.

In my opinion: Free Market should not mean- Free for people to scam and come back in the 10 seconds it takes to create a new account and scam again.

Sythe is not unrestricted. We already don't allow people to set up a market for ban evading, scamming, or any other reasons that mods/admins deem it to be a justifiable punishment.

I was under the impression that Sythe actively did not want scammers on their website. Not put a bandaid over the problem which gets ripped off immediately.

 

A free market sure, but a free market can always how some form of intervention...

 

Hmm u say this but multiple suggestions have shot down because of the "free market rule" when they try to get restrictions on account sales for example. Free market on here (if I understand correctly) is no restrictions.

EDIT: Scamming is an entirely different thing. That's taking someone's money and lying about it.

Then it's not a free market?

 

Sythe is not unrestricted. We already don't allow people to set up a market for ban evading, scamming, or any other reasons that mods/admins deem it to be a justifiable punishment.

I was under the impression that Sythe actively did not want scammers on their website. Not put a bandaid over the problem which gets ripped off immediately.

Right? I'm still new here, I don't fully grasp the situation or what this website is truly about.


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And in that case, why leave it this way? When it gives minuscule benefits if any at all, when changing could drastically increase the benefits of every possible aspect of the website and all of its users.

I have yet to see a reasonable response against my proposal. From what I've read about similar suggestions like this in the past, and those currently on my thread, All I keep seeing is something along the lines of:

"It shouldn't/won't happen, because that just the way it's been and the way it is".

Why. Why is it this way.

 

Yes scammers will be banned, if we didn't that would be stupid. But your automatically branding these newcomers as scammers with restrictions.

You were a newcomer once. What if you weren't allowed to do your business E.G. Selling codes because there were restrictions, but you were actually legit. You'd have to turn to spamming and what not. This is why we have free market with no restrictions. People are always required to do a Home IP check regardless, just staff has to find them. My point is, we ban scammers because they scam, but why stop the legit people? Sure maybe 90% of people are scammers and that's why I'm saying a sticky warning users is good, but restricting them defeats the purpose of sythe.

 

Well theres a good reason that's true I wouldn't have been able to do much without the use of a middleman. I wouldn't recommend to restrict a section like that however, because it's not the same as sections like: Account rentals/Name Sales/Account Sales

But for most markets they can use a middleman for the deals. There a very few sections on this site that middlemen have little to nothing they can do to help aid with the trade (Account sales, Name sales) = Minimal, Rentals = None. I agree that at least a sticky would help immensely. I think that should definitely go into effect regardless of this outcome.

I made this post strictly regarding the account rentals section for this exact reason. Because some forms of additional scam prevention may not be necessary at all for other sections.

 

Boss this is about the rentals section and preventing newcomers from rental scamming

 

Yea a sticky is good.

Ahhh that feeling when you have a good debate and you both come to an agreement

 

Yea but we are talking about breaking the overall goal of sythe which is being a free market.