So, i'm your imagination?

A LONG time ago me and darbysniper had an intruiging rguement as to wether or not me and the world was just his imagination.

I'd like to argue this point once more, for and against. post some arguements for me, i'l quote them here and knock you back.

Well, if the word IS your imagination, the you ARE manipulating it, 24/7. the problem is, you would be doing so on a subconcoius level, and therefore find it hard to manipulate it concsiously and purposely. every now and then you may experience a strange feeling of knowing somethings going to happen. that would be a link to your subconcious mind, briefly telling it what to do, but still havig no control over WHAT you tell it.

I am not a solopsist, i'm argueing against those who are. and with them, depending on what i quote.
You would more or less be a part of my subconscious, and i'd only know this on a subconcious level. so i do not fully understand that you are a creation of my mind, and therefore do not know i am agrueing with myself.


Okay guys, fire away.

 

This belief is known as solipsism.

If you are a solipsist, why are you arguing here at all? If everything is the creation of your mind, then you're essentially arguing with yourself when you debate anybody.

 

Wow, amazing point. I personally think its a wacked out idea, since i can feel my life, and i believe everyone can "feel" there's. This reminds me of the matrix, haha. But no i disagree.

 

Their is no way this is true, because when most people imagine, then they imagine good things. I'm sure that you along with the rest of the people in this world have felt pain, and I have not yet come across a person who imagines pain. Therefore, if you FEEL the pain, then its crossed the line of imagination.

 

The only possibility for this to happen is for the aspect of life to be an imagination. Because it is impossible for everyone to live in the same imagination with others.

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What if our life was similar to the Matrix? How would we know whether something was true or not?

 

We would never know, that is the funny part, I can't remember the movie, but a guy is a dome and he lives his whole life on TV where he thinks hes not. What if you were in that situation? on a TV show and not knowing it, just living a life that is all a fake? interesting thought!

 

...My brain hurts now

 

It's striking how this can be so compared to dreams, which seem to exemplify solipsism.

Dreams are your own imagination. You control what happens in your dreams, even though you don't know it when you are dreaming. You seem to be in a semi-logical world, yet it's all a variation of reality.

Maybe life as we perceive it is part of a more grandoise, solid world. This would mean that we control life like we control our dreams, subconciously.

I suppose I'm arguing for the concept of solipsism, seems plausible enough.

 

Who says that the others are 'alive' in our imagination? Could they not just be thoughts created by your subconscious? Following these ideas, the reality that you percieve would only exist within your imagination; if outer conscious bodies did exist, then under the same logic, they would exist within their own imagination's reality, which would not have to be anything like yours.

There is way to dispute this idea, as anybody who would support would could simply argue that you do not exist, but are rather a figment of their subconscious. It is a topic that has no end, and makes for unsubstanciated debate.

Personally, I disagree with the claims of solipsists, as I do not believe the human mind is able to create such a reality as what we see around us. Even if it was, from where would it have inspired information with which to create this reality? Idea's emerge from other idea's, so something must have triggered that chain.

 

im anoyed i looked at this.

 

I dont think that the world is my imagination... it could be though just as much as the bible could be true.

 

Well, if this is true, everyone here is basically part of my imagination because i know I exist. I suppose the same can be said for anyone else, which means this can't be true.

Also, is it just me or does every post shredderbeam make sound confronting like he has something to prove?

 

Who is this 'anyone else'? If everyone here is part of your imagination, then how do you know that they exist in any reality other then the transient dimension of your imagination? The only person you have proof of existing is yourself.

Its a notoriously annoying topic to debate on as there is no solid evidence for either arguement.

 

What i meant to say was that while I could perceive you as being part of my imagination, you can easily make the same assumption as you know you exist. I see what you mean and i have just realized the flaw in my logic.

 

To put it in to a couple of words: Anthropic Principle (or variants of which).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle

Basically, focusing on this:

I do believe that the universe exists regardless of my own existence due to the sheer amount of sentient life around me, but it is of course a possibility that it is all "in our head". A slim possibility, but still a possibility.

Just some food for thought.

 

well, simply put, there is no evidence whatsoever that the world is simply your imagination, which is enough in my opinion to eliminate the whole idea (untill i get some kind of evidence)


also, if i was somehow manipulating events in my life, i'm sure i wouldnt live in a place where there's war, i'd also be richer, and i'd have 2 very hot women next to me

the human mind is hardwired to pleasure and enjoyment, so there is no reason that if given the chance to manipulate reality, it would make it as best as it could (and here come the 2 hot women , etc)

 

Do you have any evidence of it not being so? It is fine to believe something, but to assert an argument (be it positive OR negative) you must first provide evidence for your argument. If you cannot provide evidence, then you cannot assert your argument.

How do you know you are not subconsciously altering reality? Compare a normal dream to a lucid dream. A lucid dream is when you have complete control and can make anything happen, because it is your dream world. A normal dream can be any thought that crosses your mind during the REM phase of sleep. How do you know your life is not one of these "normal" dreams?

Do not assert something if you cannot provide evidence yourself. Key rule to debating.

 

well , i have no reason to assume that all i experience is a hallucination, that is the base assumption, and your senses are sufficient to assert that oyu are living in reality (giving myself a good pinch or slap in the face is enough for me to assert that im not dreaming)

on the contrary, somebody claiming that reality is a hallucination is the one with the burden of proof.

 

How is thw world an Imagination if you can imagine things in it?