Since Trump was elected:

I didn't upset me, I just found it hilarious. All I did was point out the irony in you criticising ad-hominem attacks when you do the same exact thing.

You continue to go in the loop of "hey, we wanted it this way" rather than directly attacking what you think is wrong with the electoral college.

I never implied that we should've stayed out of those wars, I was just stating the precedent that Washington had stated (it wasn't just a precedent for the US to follow, rather for the entire world to follow). You have yet to elaborate on what you think should change about the electoral college. You've also failed to elaborate/argue against my point as to why the electoral college was set in place.

 

A) Yes you did imply that George Washington was right in telling us to stay out of foreign affairs, and yes you did use the WW's as an example of that.

B) I did tell him that he was wrong and explained that the popular vote should be the end all be all. I didn't just attack what he said; I elaborated on my position that the electoral vote and thus the vote of politicians should NEVER override the vote of the people they represent. That is NOT what the college was setup to do, it was setup to get an accurate count of the people's votes.

 

Of course he's right, if every country of every area did not get involved in affairs there would not have been a WWI or WWII. That's the precedent he wanted to set, not just for the US but for the world as a whole.

This is always the problem with the left. When the electoral college is in their favor, they're completely fine with it. However, now that Trump won due to the electoral college (he even managed to flip 4 states) there's a huge issue with the electoral college, with people like yourself arguing that it should not even exist (basically what you're saying).

 

If you can explain to me why it is logical that <50% of the population wants a different person as present, and yet Trump is going to be president, than I will accept defeat in this argument.

I already have issues with US politics; the fact that it was Hillary vs. Trump instead of Bernie vs. Trump is a major issue. Insider politics IS an issue. The electoral college IS an issue.

These aren't things that people are just now saying.

 

Whenever someone starts off with this I can tell i'm only going to need to use 35% of my brain to bury someone. Yawn.

Sure, when you shave away the "complexity" of something that was specifically designed to avoid the tyranny of the majority i'm sure it does make sense to people who are historically uneducated, which i'll explain later on.

You quite literally in a single sentence made it very clear you don't understand what a republic is, or the reasoning as to WHY we function as such. We are not a PURE DEMOCRACY, get that through your thick skull.

The core mechanic of the electoral college still operates as intended. The number of districts and our population is entirely irrelevant.

You actually haven't said why it only 'worked' back during the 18th century and somehow fails to achieve its goal in the 21'st. Also, false comparison between "b-b-but they didn't know we'd have M4's back then!" entirely irrelevant argument, again, two entirely different topics with a multitude of factors that share zero analogous talking-points.

Name a historic democratic nation that didn't have a destructive end due to 'tyranny of the majority.' Pure democracies fail, and always have. I'll show you below why you aren't historically educated on the topic.

Gladly.

I also love it when people close their 'argument' with automatically assuming authority without actually having stated any legitimate defense lol watch and learn.

Our founders were some of the smartest men that have ever existed, they chose a constitutional republic over a pure democracy for a few simple reasons. Pure democracies have always failed, and have always lead to what is known as "tyranny of the majority." One ruling class will rise, gain majority power, and seek to subject the minority, always leading to tyranny.

The Electoral College: Enlightened Democracy
Tocqueville: Book I Chapter 15

From James Madison...

You asked specifically why, here is something very detailed by men who have seen the failures of pure democracies and made the effort to escape them.

Alexis de Tocqueville

If you can't bother to read thus far, don't even bother replying.

This is why we have the electoral college, to circumvent the rise of to-be tyrants and as stated before the "tyranny of the majority." Something subtle to mention that reflects the tyranny of the majority is the media, seeing as the majority of media is left-leaning and extremely violent against those that oppose its ideals.

Also from Tocqueville

Understand now? Majority vote in a constitutional republic comes secondary. If we operated as a pure democracy, CA and NY would be deciding the fate of the entire nation, enforcing their wills upon all other states irregardless of how they voted as a majority. We are a republic of individual self-governing states, if you understood that important dynamic, perhaps you would realize the genius behind our form of government.

E: Should probably also mention that the outcome of this election is probably one of the greatest examples as to how our electoral college avoided a corrupt politician from gaining power. If you disagree with the label of "corrupt" i'll gladly start pasting evidences from the email leaks and point out specific moments in the Veritas videos that proved she broke federal laws.

E2: I'd also like you to defend the reasoning behind giving all power to only a few states rather than including the will of the smaller states within our republic. What you're arguing in favor of is essentially a stateless country with one-party rule. AKA: A tyrannical government.

 

I understand why people are scared. Trump is a crazy mofo.

 

@Wintastical
Please update the list on the OP, Trump has put some more of his plans in action.

I think Trump is great.

 

I'm not up to date. I just woke up to whiney fucks on facebook and that is the extent of my knowledge.

 

Why do you think that he's great?

 

More people are wanting him to fail then him to achieve. I don't get it.

 

The Tea Party bitched and moaned for eight years straight non-stop, now liberals are doing the same thing. Trump is an asshole but I'm not protesting, he will dig his own grave. Any person who owns a casino is literally the closest thing legally you can be to just taking money from the less fortunate. Guy is a complete joke, drank from mommy's golden nipple his whole life.

 

This whole thing is a complete fucking shitshow and people just need to realize that Trump is OUR President now and we need to hope for the best out of him as its our futures and our childrens futures at risk here.

 

The <50% live in big metro areas. Places like California, Florida, and New York.. Without the electoral college in place, those major metropolitan areas would have sole control over who gets elected because they just outweigh the general population of "rural" America. Now I do feel the electoral college should be revisited to allow the points attached to each state to be split according to votes. You get 48% of the votes you get 48% of that states' points. It would be a more accurate representation of how the entire country votes.

 

you would be surprised at how little of a difference that would make. I assuming this is because of Florida and how much of an impact it would have had. The electoral points would off set in cases of swing states that get distributed indirectly. I will say the system isn't perfect but changing for that reason is not the most sound approach.

 

Rhode island has a population of 1.1 million people.. Florida has a population of 19.3 million people. Just saying, who has more vote power?

 

Like I said not a perfect system

 

I would say that it has something to do with him bragging about groping women. He's a married man; there's a bit of a moral issue there

 

I understand that sentiment. However, he got elected... so wanting POTUS to fail is like saying you want all of United States to fail

 

That's completely untrue. I wanted Bush and Cheney impeached for the unlawful war in Iraq- doesn't mean I hate the United States. That kind of thinking is extremely, extremely dangerous.

 

All he's done since he became president is persecute the weak. The immigrants, Muslims, transgender, smokers, and environment.
If there's a new health care bill many young people will probably lose coverage. Currently covers to 26 previously 21. This helped me when I got out of college at 23.

If you're white, christian, straight, not in chronic pain, and born here good for you, bad for others. If he wanted to go after some people how about the millions of people who have no intention on working, live off the government, have babies, and we pay their rent. We even give them free sell phones. I understand disability or temporary aid, but there's to many competent people doing nothing.