Should Milo Yiannopoulous and People of His Ilk Be Ostracized?

You're taking this on a rant. It took you a couple dozen sentences to answer a yes or no question. Can we have a simple discussion without the condescending "pseudo-intellectuals on the left" commentary? I don't want to get into "oh those damn liberals" and "those damn conservatives." Let's stay away from unproductive ad hominem please.

Do you believe there is any inequality among humans currently?

 

Ironic, considering 9 times out of 10 that's the primary reason behind asking blatantly obvious questions that don't need asking/answering to begin with. I asked you twice to clarify the question, you failed to do that twice. You offered zero clarification as to what 'rights' we're talking about, since most people often confuse privileges with 'rights.' So next time I ask something very simple, do me a favor and simply answer, otherwise I won't waste my time on people like you like i've so generously done with others.

Seems like i'm going to waste more time trying to understand what you're trying to get at, i'll just ask you flat out. What's your motive behind asking questions you already know the answer to? Just based on your initial responses to this thread I already know your position, you should have an understanding of the basic principles I agree with that relate to the human race.

Are you going to ask me something worth my time and effort or are you going to continue to ask me roundabout questions that offer literally zero debate and discourse.

Are you next going to ask me if I believe in the rule of law?

And sorry if my responses sound "condescending." No offense, but so far the questions themselves have been self-answering and boring.

 

1. It's not a blatantly obvious question, some people do not believe in equal rights.
2. I don't know how better to clarify equal rights: rights that are given to everyone? Rights: life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. Right to vote, etc. Basic human rights, I don't see how that could be mistaken.
3. You're by no means obligated to respond to me. If you truly feel like I'm wasting your time, why not ignore me?
4. I want to get to know you better as a person from your responses. It's not always what you say, it's how you say what you say.
5. You don't know my position: I actually agree with you.

I'm not attempting to debate anything with you. From your first post on this thread, I was curious. You seem to make a lot of assumptions and accusations. I might as well tell you now, I'm not liberal. I don't align myself with Republicans or Democrats because it's less about your beliefs and more about "not that." It's basically just attacking the other side; "oh those asshole republicans," "oh those whiny libtards." They're simple yes/no questions with room to support your position. I'm asking to understand you and your positions better. I suppose a underlying reason for asking you these questions was to make the point that attacking someone simply on the basis of their beliefs, or what you ASSUME to be their beliefs, does nothing but fuel an already divided nation.

 

I swear if I have to correct someone on freedom of speech I'm going to lose it. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you're allowed to say whatever you want with no consequence on a societal level. It means you're free to speak your mind without being arrested/detained/whatever.

Here's why Milo should be ostracized:

His views on atheism:





Defending pedophilia.

Taking a shot at Ben Shapiro over his child's birth:

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/i.../19-milo-tweet.nocrop.w536.h2147483647.2x.jpg

I could go on. But I want to get to this point.

He's not right about feminism. The problem is people conflating feminism with feminazism. Feminism cares about the issues women face today. A few to mention:

- They still have to fight over their right to their body regarding abortion.
- They still are victim blamed about rape, and get told often, "If you didn't wear what you were wearing it wouldn't happen."
- If a girl plays with Tonka trucks, they're often encouraged. If a boy plays with dolls, he's denigrated and often told that it will make him gay.
- In religious context, women are second-class citizens. Especially in the Muslim world.

These are very reasonable and valid points. So when he goes on his rants, it's always about feminazis and not feminism.

In this particular clip I'm watching he says feminists never talk about the trouble women face in Muslim countries because they're liberal narrative doesn't like putting Islam vs. women. Bullshit. Utter bullshit. There's plenty of actual feminists who talk about this (watch Ayaan Hirsi Ali).

Edit #2: I've never heard an actual feminist use mansplaining and manspreading in a serious tone. That's feminazism.

What Milo and a lot of other people do on the right is disingenuous. They live on conflating issues. They do it with Black Lives Matters. You talk about Black Lives Matters and they talk about the black person who killed those cops in Dallas. A person who doesn't share the same ideologies as the actual movement.

Edit: Just so this isn't a partisan argument, the left have a problem but with context. They'll quote you without context and make you sound like a racist/homophobe/whatever. Sam Harris has been the victim of it many of times.

Is he allowed to speak his mind? ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY. But if I had a podcast, I'm not putting him on it. It's not an SJW issue. I'd have Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins (and I'd GLADLY have them) on it who aren't the exact poster boys for SJW's. Fuck, I'm not a big fan of most of Ben Shapiro's work but some of it I agree with and I'd have him on (specifically on smaller government and capitalism). It's not about protecting feelings, it's about protecting discourse and truth.

 

Guess what? You're wrong. That is exactly what free speech enables you to do. There's a difference between things such as defamation, shouting "fire" in a movie theater, etc, and expressing a different point of view. However wrong that point of view may be is irrelevant. It doesn't matter the number of mental hoops you jump through to come to the conclusion that not all free speech is allowed, it's the reality that what you're promoting is the very opposite.

And? That's his right to have those views and express them freely. Who are you to place your ideals above his and then proclaim he be ostracized? Did you actually watch the video about pedophilia btw? He doesn't defend pedophilia, he avoids the topic of himself being with someone who was older than him. You're employing the same tactic most SJW's do, oh the irony.

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about as you've gone off topic.

First of all, nowhere did I mention any of the topics you've listed, in fact, you completely ignored the valid points I brought up which he attacks/defends. Gee, I wonder why.

Guess what? There are plenty that don't. There's an overabundance of defense in favor of Islam and it never fails to ignore countries such as KSA. Do you believe that the meme of "feminism" just came to be for no reason? Incorrect. Feminists have been raging about sexism and "women's rights" in Western countries for the last several years. None of these people have attacked, with the same passion, the countries and ideologies/theologies that inhibit women through their laws and culture. Where has Anita Sarkeesian been while women are beheaded in the streets of Saudi Arabia? Oh, right, complaining about sexism in videogames.

How about Amy Schumer? Lena Dunham? Do I need to go on with the number of other people who incessantly screech about the aforementioned topics and their own hypocrisy?

Appatently the point of me defending this aspect went entirely over your head.

That's the point. These "feminists" don't identify with what real feminism is. Feminism is complaining about "sexism" in videogames or any other Western "right" supposedly not being afforded to women.

Congratulations, the point again entirely went over your head.

... lol what? Reread your statement please.

So then you must agree with Milo, correct? Because that's exactly what he talks about. Hence why he has been banned from speaking at certain places, even banning his opposition which he points out in the above video.

Clearly you're someone who likes to pretend they want a bi-partisan debate, but clearly you're no better than conspiracy theorists who refuse to see things for what they really are.

What Milo is, is wrong and right on many topics. Clearly, you are incapable of seeing that as you claim we should somehow ostracize him over his controversial points of view regarding atheism and pedophilia (which ironically I know you didn't watch the video because he doesn't actually "defend" pedophilia).

Next time you want to start some bull shit thread and pretend to be unbiased, have someone proofread it.

At that point I wouldn't see the point in arguing with someone.

The only reason I said it's seemingly going to be a waste of time is because 9 times out of 10 when people ask questions like that, they're simply setting up a loaded/baited question with some presumed conclusion.

Thanks for clarifying though.