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Should human cloning be allowed?

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Shredderbeam said:
Dorito, what if you could just clone the heart, and no other part of the human?
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Well, many things would go behind that. First, using embryonic stem cells are wrong in my opinion. It's taking the dignity of life away from one human just so they can gain knowledge for others.

However, using adult stem cells for research which avoid cloning and avoid using embryonic stem cells are acceptable. In sum, any research must respect the dignity of the human person from the moment of conception.

If a heart could be regenerated through use of adult stem cells which wouldn't clone or take the dignity of human life away from another for the sake of another, then I see no problem in it and would be morally acceptable in my eyes.

Cloning a human as a whole or trying to basically "make a baby" in the simplest terms is wrong, period. You are trying to play creator in life, which is no humans' place.
 
Dorito said:
Well, many things would go behind that. First, using embryonic stem cells are wrong in my opinion. It's taking the dignity of life away from one human just so they can gain knowledge for others.

However, using adult stem cells for research which avoid cloning and avoid using embryonic stem cells are acceptable. In sum, any research must respect the dignity of the human person from the moment of conception.

If a heart could be regenerated through use of adult stem cells which wouldn't clone or take the dignity of human life away from another for the sake of another, then I see no problem in it and would be morally acceptable in my eyes.

Cloning a human as a whole or trying to basically "make a baby" in the simplest terms is wrong, period. You are trying to play creator in life, which is no humans' place.
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Well, what about use of embryonic stem cells, in vitro fertilization attempts? Those embryos would be discarded anyway.
 
Dorito said:
Well, many things would go behind that. First, using embryonic stem cells are wrong in my opinion. It's taking the dignity of life away from one human just so they can gain knowledge for others.

However, using adult stem cells for research which avoid cloning and avoid using embryonic stem cells are acceptable. In sum, any research must respect the dignity of the human person from the moment of conception.

If a heart could be regenerated through use of adult stem cells which wouldn't clone or take the dignity of human life away from another for the sake of another, then I see no problem in it and would be morally acceptable in my eyes.

Cloning a human as a whole or trying to basically "make a baby" in the simplest terms is wrong, period. You are trying to play creator in life, which is no humans' place.
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To me, there's a difference between stem cells and cloning.

A clone is a person, who is capable of independent thought and has all the qualities of any other man.

Stem cells do not qualify as human beings.
 
alge said:
Do i have to repeat this 1,000 times? If god didn't want us to clone he wouldn't have given us the freaking ability to be able to. So stop say "OMG WE WOULD LIKE BE PLAYING GOD". Dont put god into this convo anymore. We don't even have proof he exists.
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Yes, we do...

Anyway, i'm not so sure about cloning. It makes me feel uncortable knowing that there are unstable "people" in the world. I don't think cloning humans will be reality anytime soon, mainly because of all the controversy.
 
All I see is wars and dictators and destruction until its gone!!!
It makes life lazier!!
And that only proves that we are imperfect

My favorite song lyric
"We are all just simply clones, imperfect to the bone"
 
Imo, Human cloning is just stupid. I could see the science behind it but other than that, its just wrong.
 
i forget the odds of Successful cloning but i think it's liek 1 in 3000, and EVEN WHEN the cloning is successful, the cloned creature has Medical Problems such as respiratory problems, Circulatory problems and many more along these lines, i remember this because i wrote a paper about it in Biology. Further, the cloned animal has shortened Chromosomes which means their life span is shorter and they age faster.

The older the subject is to be cloned, the shorter their chromosomes are so if you cloned a set of short chromosomes (an already developing human), you would end up with the same thing. So the best option would be to use Stem Cells from the Plasenta (The thing that gets tossed away when a baby is born)

Reasons people say cloning is wrong for a scenario like if a person lost his/her son or something to that affect is:
It upsets the natural healing proccess of mourning the loss of a loved one
In Religions, they don't want us to 'play the hand of god'
People Believe that cloned subjects wll be harvested for organs
Criminals wil get hold of the technology and clone themselves
Slave labor will be put onto the cloned individuals due to noone knowing their existence

Those are the main reasons i found

I personally Believe that cloning should be legalized in all countries, who cares if it's 'ethically immoral' to some people. Many of our leaders have done things way worse than this Cloning issue will do. There are just some things that need to be done for the Advancement of Mankind before our blink of an eye in the life of the Universe is over.
 
If you cloned the kid, it wouldnt be like the parent just got their own son back.. He would have a totaly different personality and outlook on life -.-

Besides, why would you CLONE MORE KIDS, when there are already TONS of orphans who are ready for a home. If you pick a clone over an orphan, you deserve to be shot and pissed on.

If you clone organs which help, go 4 it.
 
Reveng3 said:
If you cloned the kid, it wouldnt be like the parent just got their own son back.. He would have a totaly different personality and outlook on life -.-

Besides, why would you CLONE MORE KIDS, when there are already TONS of orphans who are ready for a home. If you pick a clone over an orphan, you deserve to be shot and pissed on.

If you clone organs which help, go 4 it.
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I don't think anyone supports cloning to increase the population.
 
Gekkostate said:
I personally Believe that cloning should be legalized in all countries, who cares if it's 'ethically immoral' to some people. Many of our leaders have done things way worse than this Cloning issue will do. There are just some things that need to be done for the Advancement of Mankind before our blink of an eye in the life of the Universe is over.
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Who cares if it's immoral, you're right, people like you are exactly why the world is turning into a hell hole. You can only think of yourselves and what YOU can get out of the world and the people in it.

Who cares if it's immoral? Honestly, how low will the human race go just to be "technologically advanced"? Nothing can advance mankind further good if it's immoral. Morals are some of the most base things the human race has, are we starting to say "screw it" to even that?
 
Gekkostate said:
I personally Believe that cloning should be legalized in all countries, who cares if it's 'ethically immoral' to some people. Many of our leaders have done things way worse than this Cloning issue will do. There are just some things that need to be done for the Advancement of Mankind before our blink of an eye in the life of the Universe is over.
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Yeah, after all, who the hell cares if it's completely ethically inmoral.*sarcastic*

Just because others things are worse, doesn't make this right.
 
Dorito said:
Who cares if it's immoral, you're right, people like you are exactly why the world is turning into a hell hole. You can only think of yourselves and what YOU can get out of the world and the people in it.

Who cares if it's immoral? Honestly, how low will the human race go just to be "technologically advanced"? Nothing can advance mankind further good if it's immoral. Morals are some of the most base things the human race has, are we starting to say "screw it" to even that?
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It's not immoral. Not at all.

The topic title I read is "Should human cloning be allowed?"
I think that's what we're debating. Not if clones should be created just for the sake of harvesting their organs. That would probably indeed be immoral.

Anyway, morality hasn't gotten us anywhere. It's mankind's rejection of the Church and "morality" in my opinion that has put a man on the moon.
 
WhereIsTheGod said:
It's not immoral. Not at all.

The topic title I read is "Should human cloning be allowed?"
I think that's what we're debating. Not if clones should be created just for the sake of harvesting their organs. That would probably indeed be immoral.

Anyway, morality hasn't gotten us anywhere. It's mankind's rejection of the Church and "morality" in my opinion that has put a man on the moon.
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I was responding to his one comment, not on the thread as a whole.

Anyway, morality has gotten us places, it's called trying to not be inhuman. You act as if the Church and "morality" is against all of what science is, which is hardly the case. Anyways, yes, let us stay on topic.
 
Dorito said:
Who cares if it's immoral, you're right, people like you are exactly why the world is turning into a hell hole. You can only think of yourselves and what YOU can get out of the world and the people in it.

Who cares if it's immoral? Honestly, how low will the human race go just to be "technologically advanced"? Nothing can advance mankind further good if it's immoral. Morals are some of the most base things the human race has, are we starting to say "screw it" to even that?
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[N]ick;2572115 said:
Yeah, after all, who the hell cares if it's completely ethically inmoral.*sarcastic*

Just because others things are worse, doesn't make this right.
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Wow....just wow i didn't say that I said it was immoral and agree with it i said basically who cares if it is viewed by OTHERS as immoral. They just think it is immoral due to their false beliefs on what it will be used for to one of the extremes. Please try to comprehend what i typed and don't put words in my mouth to make me look bad.

HERE ME AM SAY IT IN LANGUGE U AM UNNERSTAN SO U AM NO DO EET AGEN

I said who cares if certain groups say it is immoral because EVEN IF IT WERE, which in the way i view it and its possible uses, is not wrong when used in the correct manner which will benefit us (if it ever will be), that Leaders of the past and future have done/will do even worse things than cloning (if cloning is as bad as people say it will be).

Like come on, most people i see are on the Extreme side of the spectrum saying moronic crap like People will be cloned and harvested for organs and vast armies will be created for who the hell knows what. I cannot stress enough that people are only thinking on the large scale instead of the small scale like Cloning Tissue and Cingular Organs i mean like COME ON.

Oh wait, what was it i said again?

Gekkostate said:
who cares if it's 'ethically immoral' to some people.
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This is a really hard question. I mean if YOU need a organ to like live you would want a clone. but if you were that clone it would suck living for what 2 hours then dieing what a great like eh
 
Well... Apparently cloning its wrong but we shud try it to see how far it goes, we could use the cloned people to taste medicines, etc.
 
Gekkostate said:
Wow....just wow i didn't say that I said it was immoral and agree with it i said basically who cares if it is viewed by OTHERS as immoral. They just think it is immoral due to their false beliefs on what it will be used for to one of the extremes. Please try to comprehend what i typed and don't put words in my mouth to make me look bad.

HERE ME AM SAY IT IN LANGUGE U AM UNNERSTAN SO U AM NO DO EET AGEN

I said who cares if certain groups say it is immoral because EVEN IF IT WERE, which in the way i view it and its possible uses, is not wrong when used in the correct manner which will benefit us (if it ever will be), that Leaders of the past and future have done/will do even worse things than cloning (if cloning is as bad as people say it will be).

Like come on, most people i see are on the Extreme side of the spectrum saying moronic crap like People will be cloned and harvested for organs and vast armies will be created for who the hell knows what. I cannot stress enough that people are only thinking on the large scale instead of the small scale like Cloning Tissue and Cingular Organs i mean like COME ON.

Oh wait, what was it i said again?
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Just because something can benefit us, doesn't mean it isn't immoral or that we shouldn't care that it is immoral.
 
I think that cloning organs and such (like they can grow ears on rats, etc..) is totally legit, and I say go for it. Just think of all the people we can help with that...But cloning a full human? That begs the question whether the clone would have, say, the memories and experiences of its benefactor....

Who would be responsible for it? Would you tell him/her that they are a clone? How would the benefactor feel about having another him/her in the world? Does the clone have a soul?
 
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