Evolution

It has come to my attention that there are some staunch anti-evolutionists out there.

Being open to new ideas, I have decided to create this thread to allow reasoned debate between those who oppose and support evolution.

Standard rules apply: No flaming, spamming, being an idiot, etc.

Go to it!

 

If i may ask one thing of all participants here, PLEASE try to make sure your post makes sense before posting it, and PLEASE present relevant information(links to your source) if you are trying to show evidence.
Note: This also leads onto my opening question.

Instead of saying "oh, god predicted this, didnt ya know???"
Say something likeand this is actually my Question, in the form that it should be written in in order to look like you know what you are talking about)

Hello.
My question relates to the christian's claims that morality comes from religion.
Please refer to the following passage in the bible:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Kings 2:23-24&version=31;

How can you claim that the bible teaches morality when clearly, your god is prone to vengance at the slightest provocation, which, in this case, is the jeering of his prophet, Elijah.

The normal Christian reply i have to this is "oh, elijah did it, not god" however it clearly says "called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD" which, in my eyes, means that he invoked gods omniscient power in order to have the bears maul the children.

 

I have a somewhat odd theory on evolution.
It explains the physical differences between,
Oriental People, White People, and Black People.

Correct me if I'm wrong in any way.

In that humans evolved from apes, I believe that oriental people are one step forward than white people in terms of evolution.

I have reason to believe this, for various reasons.

-Less body hair.
-Usually smaller.
-Usually artistically finer.
-Usually more mentally sharp.

Hmm, please reply to this post, giving your opinions.

 

sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with you there:

http://www.accessexcellence.org/AE/AEPC/WWC/1994/glossary.html

orientals can freely interbreed(and do so naturally)with anglo's etc.
Also, orientals are not particularly special in any way... Evolution occurs because a species must change to suit its environment, however, as humans have evolved to adapt to any environment, we have not evolved as a species in several thousand years.
Sure, there are genetic abnormalities, but nothing that will still be around in 5-6 generations

I was just researching your insight into mental sharpness and i found something interesting...
http://www.sabahan.com/2007/01/18/worlds-average-iq-distribution-map/
according to this map, I am about 90 points higher in IQ then the average australian(I'm 151)

 

90 points higher? that would mean that the average Australian has 60 IQ, and the LEAST that someone needs to breathes is like 55 or 60...so either australians are moronic, barely licing ppl or you're wrong -.-

And yeah i agree that we haven't evolves AS A WHOLE for many thousands of years, we pretty much branched off and evolved seerately due to the various conditions each 'race' underwent which is part od Darwin's Theory of Evolution

 

gekkostate: did you actually read my post? I said "according to this map..."
now look at the map...
now hang your head in shame

Darwins theory only works if the social structure of the animal in question suits it... Anyways, Darwins theory has been proven to be pretty innaccurate regardless(if you actually read "origin of the species" you will see that) although it is going along the right tracks.

With human society, we actively help the weak to survive, and as a result, evolution does not occur, because the lesser genes that should have died out with the weaker people are allowed to reproduce.

 

Each 'race.'

You make us sound divided into Elves, Dwarves and Goblins.

 

Where are the missing links?

Evolution=fail.

 

Missing links are hard to come across, because change happens (relatively) quickly.

All the same, there are still plenty of them to be found.

 

Shredderbeam said:
Evolution takes billions of years to happen.

 

Most of the diversity in evolution has occurred over a period of 900 to 1,000 million years.

 

Dynamic equilibrium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_equilibrium

tl;dr - Instead of having gaps, evolutionary changes happen over short periods of time and then go to a solid state. So on a graph it would be like stairs instead of linear.

 

If people would actually search wikipedia, they would find a page called "history of the homo genus" where they would find all the answers to their bridging questions

 

You forgot to mention black people in your explanation. Are they supposed to be the least evolved of the 3?

 

maybe they are just all evolved to different environments.
blacks evolved to the harsher ones, where might is right.
AZN's evolved to the cut-throat societies, where the smartest reign.
Whitey is stuck in the middle

 

Actually, if you had paid proper attention, you'd notice that he DID mention black people. Read again.

Evolution can be divided into two parts, macro and micro. Micro evolution is a fact, where as macro evolution remains a theory due to debates on the exact steps of the evolutionary process. EVOLUTION DID HAPPEN we simply can’t trace the exact evolutionary steps of the of the 3 trillion plus species on earth. Considering there is no way that we can even prove if we have located all the species on earth, this may always remain a theory. We can prove though, beyond a doubt, that humans have evolved. We can trace it back conclusively 3.6 million years. 97% of all scientists accept evolution (so does the Catholic Church).

Whereas Creationism is a story made up several thousand years by people whom couldn't comprehend the basic questions of life (where we came from, where we're going, what the meaning of life is) that sounds completely outrageous, absurd, and illogical beyond possible recognition. Oh, does it have a single piece of scientifically documented evidence in favor of it? Not a damn one, yet plenty against it. It doesn't take a scientist, or a genius to comprehend the fact that creationism is a primitive fairy tale; just a tad bit of logic sense.

Creationism = Fail equivalent to a bucket of diarrhea.

Evolution does not state that humans evolved from monkeys, that idea is completely absurd. Science states that monkeys and humans evolved from a shared forefather and are hence relatives, (all primates are) but we are in no way direct descendants of them.

Do you want to observe evolution? Go get a microscope and (biological) virus contained in glass. Viruses evolve constantly.

 

Lol funny

 

"97% of all scientists accept evolution (so does the Catholic Church)." True fact? I might believe it if i saw some links = D

 

Pope John II embraces evolution

Only 700 out of 480.000 Scientists (in the US) supports Creationism.

 

I believe that quote except the "Created by my lord part", It was quoted by a Catholic(Or Jewish i forget) spokes person implying, he was created by god, i don't know what our higher power is and therefore give him or her a name.