Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

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  1. Unread #1 - Dec 12, 2016 at 5:27 AM
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    User: Scotty

    Explanation:
    I won 2 times dicing againts him, both dices were for 1M '07 so my total winnings are 2M '07.
    You can the winnings here:
    https://www.sythe.org/threads/buyacc-dicing-thread-no-odds/page-9#post-22047955
    I won once, then he DoN'ed which I won. Then he wanted to DoN again (2M vs 2M) but my thread is max 1M.

    Currently at work but if that is not enough proof I can show the little recording I made when I am at home.

    Beside the above, he is already dicing while still having a debt, which is againts the rules:
    https://www.sythe.org/threads/2408155/official-donor-lounge-dice-thread/page-171#post-22063451
     
  3. Unread #2 - Dec 12, 2016 at 5:30 AM
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    I did not DoN I only owe 1m
     
  5. Unread #3 - Dec 12, 2016 at 5:32 AM
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    You saying the 75 roll is legit:
    [​IMG]

    Also you DoN'ed again after (the 2M vs 2M roll), this would only be a correct DoN if you counted both rolls. So you already admitted on two occasions that you owe me 2M atm.
     
  7. Unread #4 - Dec 12, 2016 at 5:37 AM
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    The 75 was the only legit offer, the one before didn't have an amount attached

    @GuyFrank owes me a dollar, he can send that to buyacc
     
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    It was already stated in Discord that it was 1M:
    [​IMG]
    "Whats that 1m?"
    "Yesh oops"

    It were 2x legit rolls.
     
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  13. Unread #7 - Dec 12, 2016 at 5:43 AM
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    No I do not owe, I said oops and remade the roll
     
  15. Unread #8 - Dec 12, 2016 at 5:47 AM
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    Not paying, guyfrank can send the dollar to buyacc or I will accept my ban
     
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    You cant remake a roll just because it would be in your favour, you already stated the roll was 1M on Discord so the first roll was legit. After you saw that you lost you posted another roll including the 75, which I also won.

    Timestamps:
    > Me asking and you answering its 1M -> xx:46
    > Me posting the dice to the first roll -> xx:46
    > You making the post with the 75 roll -> xx:47
     
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    For everyone's information, I talked to BuyAcc about giving him a dollar, but he would like only rsgp; so I guess he has to work it out with Scotty and I will hold onto my dollar for now.

    Good night.
     
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    O didnt see this before but you even literally said you owed me 2M in the 2M vs 2M dice:

    Ok give me the 2M now.
     
  23. Unread #12 - Dec 12, 2016 at 6:18 AM
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    No I am a nice guy
     
  25. Unread #13 - Dec 12, 2016 at 6:18 AM
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    Not at home
     
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    I would like to notify the moderators judging this report about the following:

    Scotty broke the rule that one cannot dice when they are still in debt with someone.
     
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  29. Unread #15 - Dec 12, 2016 at 6:39 AM
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    Not paying I am in a garden centre the OP is being pedantic
     
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    Ok, so let me get your arguments straight:
    • Buyacc is arguing that all Scotty's rolls were valid, and so accordingly, he is owed 2m RSGP.
    • Scotty argues that roll 5 (numbered below) is invalid because there was no amount specified on the 5th bet (making the bet automatically void), and therefore only owes 1m RSGP.
    Is that correct?

    Bets:
    1. Scotty wins 1m (+1)
    2. Scotty loses 1m (0)
    3. Scotty wins 1m (+1)
    4. Scotty loses 1m (0)
    5. Scotty loses 1m (-1) [CONTENDED VOID BET]
    6. Scotty loses 1m (-2 or -1)
     
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    Correct. This is conclusive evidence though:

    "vs 2m i owe you"
     
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    I'm going to assume Scotty agrees with what I set out.

    The first thing to note is that the rules clearly say that you must (a) post the amount to dice, AND (b) roll only once. Depending on how literally you want to read this, it would render a bet without an amount void automatically, unless both parties elected to continue as if the bet was valid.

    There are multiple ways this can play out, all of which result in the same conclusion: Scotty must exit the gardening store and pay Buyacc the 2m ASAP.

    1. If the bet is void automatically, then two bets are void: the 3rd and 5th one. As both bets neutralise each other, the net result is that Scotty still owes 2m.
    2. Alternatively, Scotty may want to argue that the 3rd bet, though initially void, continued as if it was valid, but the 5th one was still void. This doesn't seem likely, considering, as Buyacc said, Scotty acknowledges he owes Buyacc 2m here.
    As to this, the word 'may' gives me the discretion not to TwC/Ban Scotty, provided he pay you the 2m as soon as practicable.
     
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  37. Unread #19 - Dec 12, 2016 at 8:19 AM
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    Hey I owe buyacc 1m but am happy to pay 2m cus I am a nice guy, that's why I was happy to dice 2m debt lol
     
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    Scotty dicing and not paying out his debt to me

    Going to eat chicken wings and pizza for lunch, don't ban me unless you want to go offline
     
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