[DENIED] Rule Reform

No point in making my own thread if a similar one exists already:

A suggestion from me (which is somewhat related to this) is to include an "exceptional circumstances" rule in the spam forum in regards to doxing (it would go alongside the rule being proposed by @Milotic). Given the situation I had last week (and still dealing with) which did actually end up in me getting doxed, I really feel a slight change needs to be added to the Spam Forum. I'm well aware this did not "directly" involve Sythe, but it for sure was the source of it all and really everything that happened could have been avoided were there a "clause" that allowed an exception to be made for the user (which would have had all relevant threads deleted) and provided that individual promised to bugger off from the SF and not return forever / a very very long time.

I would say if there is a crazy enough circumstance (like mine) and it isn't related to the market or scamming others (which again, not relevant to my case) then a user should be given the grace of being able to withdraw from the Spam Forum (insta-removed from the SF + all threads on you removed) if there is an exceptional enough circumstance or situation going on that would justify it.

And before people respond to this with "But it's the SF" and "You shouldn't post stuff online what you don't want to bite back later", yeah I totally agree with these points and that I was an idiot for doing it, but what's done is done and unfortunately I cannot reverse the events of last week, all I can do now is damage control. Anyone here who's been doxed will know the feeling of sitting there worrying about how much they have found on you, how / where they got it from and how much of your irl is gonna be impacted (for me, it was abusive phone calls while in my workplace, which led to me nearly throwing up and then I had to fake being sick in order to get let home early to deal with what was going on) and also 35 missed calls after I turned my phone back on after 2 days. Not to mention sitting at home for the rest of the week (including the weekend) worrying about if my address / workplace has been discovered.

How in fucks anyone people found my number I will never know (I do not believe it was anyone from Sythe, nor do I believe anyone here was involved in the doxing). It likely came from off-site, but that does not change the seriousness of what happened.

Remember: It is easy to justify someone else being doxed when you yourself have never been doxed, it's a fucking horrible thing to have going on and you never know how far an individual(s) will go / succeed in finding out who you are and what damage they will do to you irl.

Doxing in general is scummy and there are very few instances where I would feel it is justified:

If you have harmed / solid proof someone intend to harm, scam or cause some sort of damage to another individual, especially in real life, or having or conspiring to commit breaking serious real-world laws that would most certainly be of a concern to the general public etc; However, even in cases like this the mature way of dealing with it is to simply report it to the old bill, but obviously people will have different ideas of how to deal with things.

Final point: Remember an individual being doxed is all well and dandy (sarcasm) for that individual alone, even if the general opinion is it is deserved. But remember a lot of people do live with loved ones or have a family (or may be providing for a family). So trying to ruin someone's real life by doxing might sound like a great idea (especially if they've done something bad enough to deserve it), but remember there may be family they live with or loved ones they have that you could be affecting / endangering also. And really, endangering innocent people isn't something I think anyone who deals in doxing would EVER agree with. If someone has done something so horribly bad, just gather their personal details + evidence and report it to the old bill in their country is honestly how I would do it.

Finally, if someone's in trouble because of something related to scamming or something else irl which is truly horrible, then I'm not sure the "doxing protection" should cover them, banned or not. However whether they deserve to be doxed is still awkward for me personally because even if that individual themselves deserves it, there could still be innocent people / family they live with that could be put in danger if doxing occurs and depending what is done with that info (swatting for instance can end up in lives being lost). I have really mixed feelings on doxing in general and the situation last week has probably influenced me a lot, but in general I have always despised doxing and would try to go the legal route wherever possible.

 

I'd like to add that your situation pushed me to post this, along with some other stuff. You're a piece of shit, but you don't deserve that.

 

Something has to be done. The whole "free speech blah blah" rhetoric everyone was peddling after what happened to you is all well and good until someone gets triggered enough to try and attack you personally, off the internet. That can't and shouldn't happen especially for something like a distasteful joke.

 

I definitely support this. I don't see any reason to have an "eye for an eye" policy, as @Kreaated said, it creates an environment where snowballing can definitely occur. Admittedly, the users have done wrong and deserve punishment, but when there is a mob mentality forming, its easy to lose site of the reasoning and take things further than they need to go.

 

If you can scam people you deserve to get your life ruined, no support when it comes to attacking people who are banned on Sythe for scamming.

I don't think you can attack people who you can't prove were registered to Sythe and were banned for scamming btw.

 

Sythes view on this seemed pretty evident from the discussion that was had in the discord tonight, I don't see it changing. @Sythe

 

The community seem to agree with the suggestion for the most part. I think it's silly to throw an idea down the drain because of a minority viewpoint. I appreciate all feedback, for or against, provided there is a logical argument on hand.

I'm completely open to discuss this with anybody though, feel free to PM me on discord.

 

It's unfortunate when the minority owns the website then I suppose

Only the things no one gives a shit about get changed anyway.

Need the old staff back who would ban you for looking at them wrong, let alone doxing someone for any reason.

 

I support this.

Ruining lives and all of those around them should not be allowed, not to mention that things often get taken way too far. I think there are very few circumstances where doxing would ever be a justifiable addition to the punishment.

 

Seeing a lot of people say "things can get taken to far" "peoples lifes could be fucked up" but has this ever happened to someone? A reasonable amount of pressure in the right place can get people there dues, we're trying to tackle a non-issue here lol.

 

Except my situation was nothing to do with the market or anything related to scamming or malicious activity.

 

If you sell someone a runescape account to someone on Sythe, and they get banned on Sythe do you have to help them recover their account if they lose their information? Currently dealing with this exact situation and I feel like it kind of applies? Anyways I support this. The punishment is the ban.

 

Yes, why wouldn't you? You have a due diligence to your customer, banned or not.

You sold an account and received money for it, unless you were to redistribute the money to their scam victims and kept the account for yourself. That'd be the only situation I could see happening.

 

What if they were banned for selling the account and then recovering it?

 

Sorry hit enter to early and on a mobile, and now the account is locked?

 

No idea really dude, better off PMing a mod than me. I don't make the rules :/

Sounds like an odd situation though.

 

Kinda asking anyone viewing this haha! But thanks, was just wondering.

 

People who scam should be considered scum, but I don't see how it's any different to releasing personal information of someone who doesn't want their personal information shared. I find this counterproductive if you want them to pay off any debt, as this would discourage them if their personal information was leaked and shared.

 

Agreed.

It can act as a deterrence against scamming but either way doxing is a very harsh and potentially dangerous action for anyone to take. I could probably understand someone doxing if a huge amount of money was at stake but from what I've seen most scams are for like 60 bucks lol. Not that it should matter how much money was involved though tbh.

There's also that whole element that anybody going into a deal with someone on this site is inherently acknowledging they are taking a risk by handing someone something valuable, whether it's virtual goods or money. If you give newcomer billy bob $300 for an RS name and he scams you, gets banned, then you dox him for banter, that's not really going to smooth things over or help the situation in any way.

Support lol

 

ily lmao

This is a good point, the damage is already done so why would they repay?

Thank you both for your feedback.