Rolex Oyster Perpetual Datejust

[NickV]

Selling my Rolex Oyster Perpetual Datejust.
Bought a while ago from a 3rd party when I had a bit too much money to spend, now I need the extra cash. Has authenticity holographic sticker on the back, but I do not have paperwork as I bought it from a 3rd party.
Offer below, taking RSGP, WU, Paypal, etc etc.

Thanks

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[Wooskie]

Do you have the model/serial number?
Certificate of authenticity and warranty?
Has it been serviced?

I'd be most intrigued about the model number as I don't know if it's just the picture you've put up there taken at a funny angle or something but something's not quite ritter about it.

I sold luxury watches for a while so this is very much my field of expertise, so would be grateful if you could answer the above questions.

 

[Maldreil]

I don't think a sticky warrants authenticity.

 

[NickV]

Sorry about the picture, will post more later today.
The model and serial I'm not too sure on. Bought from a 3rd party a while back.
Has not been serviced, but it's supposed to be serviced every 5 years.
PM me if you know a bit about watches, I'll ask you a few questions.

 

[crackcow]

Here's something i found interesting. This watch is very similar to yours, so you and potential buyers should have a look at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU76nhgpQCk

Identifying your Rolex:
RED = Bad
Green = Good
Blue = Does not apply to this watch


CLEAR CASEBACKS... Probably one of the easiest ways to identify a fake Rolex is by the caseback. Counterfeiters will often use a clear display, or "skeleton" caseback, thus allowing you to view the inner workings of the watch. The problem is Rolex does not make such a watch, therefore, these models are easily identified as counterfeit. (Please Note: There are only 2 "known" examples of Rolex watches with glass "exhibition backs", and they are both vintage manual wind models from the 1930s, and they were not "production" models.)

ENGRAVED CASEBACKS... In addition to the "clear casebacks" listed above, engraved casebacks are another easy way to identify counterfeit Rolex watches. Again, Rolex does not engrave the caseback with logos, hallmarks, or designs (as shown in the example above). Genuine Rolex models will have a "smooth" caseback, and are free of these engravings.

The rare exceptions to this are ladies' models (prior to the mid 1990's) which had "Original Rolex Design" or a similar variation thereof, engraved on the caseback in an arc fashion. Another exception is on the Sea-Dweller case backs which will have "ROLEX OYSTER ORIGINAL GAS ESCAPE VALVE" engraved around the outside of the caseback in an arc fashion.

HOLOGRAM STICKERS... Genuine Rolex models are shipped new from the factory with a Hologram-encoded (3-dimensional) sticker on the caseback. This sticker features the trademarked Rolex "crown" positioned above the watch's case reference number. The hologram can be easily identified by viewing it from different angles, thus causing the background pattern to change.

However, "most" counterfeit stickers are not holograms at all, but rather simply a repetitious "Rolex" pattern which does not change in appearance when viewed from different angles. It is worth mentioning that the genuine Rolex hologram stickers did not feature the "crown logo" as a part of the hologram until (around) 2002, when the sticker was redesigned. At that time, the Reference number was also changed from gold lettering to black, as it is currently.

DATE MAGNIFICATION... For authentic Rolexes, the crystal (on all current date models--excluding the Sea-Dweller) will have a glass bubble, or "cyclops" attached to the crystal, positioned over the date. Its purpose is to magnify the tiny aperture and does so at 2.5 times magnification.

However, on MOST counterfiet models the date magnification is more like 1.5 times, at best (as shown in the example above). This may not sound like much of a difference, but when looking at the dates side-by-side it's obvious. The date window should practically "fill up" the cyclops--the fakes don't even come close. It is worth mentioning that some counterfeits are now featuring a new larger font date wheel to give the "illusion" of being magnified at a full 2.5 times.

TRIPLOCK CROWN SEAL... Rolex models featuring the Triplock crown (i.e. Submariner, Sea-Dweller and Daytona) utilize an extra seal within the threads of the winding crown's tube. This gasket resembles a black o-ring and can be visible when the winding crown is unscrewed fully. As shown in the example above, (most) counterfeit models will not feature this o-ring seal, but rather will have basic screw-down threads. It is worth mentioning that some new counterfeits will feature a "similar" looking rubber seal, but upon closer examination you will see that it is merely cosmetic, and is not functional.

As shown in the image below, the Triplock crown can be identified by 3 tiny dots positioned under the trademarked Rolex "crown" logo, which is engraved on the end on the winding crown.


MICRO-ETCHED CRYSTAL... Brand new for 2002, Rolex has started micro-etching a tiny "coronet" (or crown) logo into the crystal, at the 6 o'clock position. This mark is quite small, so it is difficult to see with the naked eye. However, when viewed under a loupe, the faint outline can be distinguished, as seen in the examples above. (Please excuse the poor quality pics... the only thing more difficult than locating the etching is photographing it.)


CASE REFERENCE NUMBERS... Probably the most accurate way to identify a genuine/counterfeit Rolex watch is by locating the Serial and Case Reference Numbers. These special identification numbers are engraved on the side of the case, located between the lugs (as shown in the example above).

the engraving between the lugs of a genuine Rolex feature very fine lines, which actually catch the light similar to that of a diamond cut edge. However, (some) counterfeits will feature a sandy (acid) etched appearance, as seen in the example above. Furthermore, the spacing on these numbers is often too close together. It is worth mentioning that counterfeiters frequently use the SAME numbers on their watches. Thus, the example shown above: "R863698" is seen quite often, and is a pretty good sign of a fake.

more information can be found here:
http://qualitytyme.net/pages/rolex_or_replica.html


Also may I ask how much you are looking for?

 

[Wooskie]

I hate to say it, but frankly the watch does look fake. I could be wrong, but that's my initial impression, having worked in the business some years. There's just a few things off about it, not least the model in question. I'm yet to come across an oyster with quite this design. There are some close, but none like this. It's like two different models made into one, borrowing traits from each.

Secondly, when selling Rolex or omega or any other luxury brand of watch, it's not as simple as just handing it over in exchange for money. The watch is registered, so if you were to take this to be serviced, and have no documents from it, or any in your name, it would be considered stolen.

Then there's the issue of it being a chronometer. This is a check that is independently verified. It's not done in house by Rolex, and as such the watch should come with a certificate confirming this fact.

 

[crackcow]

Eitherway, fake or not. How much are you looking for?