[APPROVED] Allowing DNT to Participate in the Community Events

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[APPROVED] Allowing DNT to Participate in the Community Events
  1. Unread #1 - Nov 22, 2018 at 5:44 PM
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    [APPROVED] Allowing DNT to Participate in the Community Events

    First make sure we understand what DNT rank is: Understanding the DNT (Do Not Trade) rank

    DNT users are currently not allowed to participate in the community events, even though it's not directly stated in the rules, that they are not, so at least let's make it clear.

    One of the arguments is that DNT users can't send PM, however this is not valid argument in most events, as most events don't require the ability to send/receive a PM.

    Benefits of allowing DNT users to participate in the Community Events:
    • Reintegration into the community - users are more likely to repay their debts
    • Repayment of victims - Money prizes can be directly sent to the victims/put towards the repayment fund. Prizeboxes/Sythe Gold/Miniranks can be auctioned here https://www.sythe.org/threads/current-auction-ongoing and processed by admins
    Let's be pragmatic, regular users are still protected from DNTs market wise. Emotional hurt should not be relevant here.
     
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  3. Unread #2 - Nov 22, 2018 at 5:46 PM
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    [APPROVED] Allowing DNT to Participate in the Community Events

    Support, would help people to pay their debts and get more people to participate in events.
     
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  5. Unread #3 - Nov 22, 2018 at 6:19 PM
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    [APPROVED] Allowing DNT to Participate in the Community Events

    No support I completely object to this for multiple reasons
    but will list a simple one and allow the rest of community to jigsaw rest together.

    If they win a prize and it goes towards repayment it shows no remorse and shows no improvement in behavior or no change or growth in attitude and will just give them more reason to scam again. This will just give them a free pass through a pardon.

    As for letting them play for no prize's, that would be fine imo.
     
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  7. Unread #4 - Nov 22, 2018 at 6:31 PM
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    [APPROVED] Allowing DNT to Participate in the Community Events

    Not really a true, because it's not a giveaway. They have to try and compete with a mindset that their prize will go to repayment. To place on top 3 usually takes a lot effort.
     
  9. Unread #5 - Nov 22, 2018 at 6:39 PM
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    [APPROVED] Allowing DNT to Participate in the Community Events

    in my opinion this would make them be more inclined to cheat like @moutoun / @Naughty did, for repayment money.

    now if they want to make their own event then sure i dont see a problem with that.
     
  11. Unread #6 - Nov 22, 2018 at 6:44 PM
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    [APPROVED] Allowing DNT to Participate in the Community Events

    I think of these events as a benefit to being a member in good standing as there are monetary rewards.

    If someone wants to pardon, repayment should come from the offenders pocket, not from getting lucky in an event.

    I don't think I support this
     
  13. Unread #7 - Nov 26, 2018 at 12:47 AM
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    [APPROVED] Allowing DNT to Participate in the Community Events

    I don't support this.

    If you're DNT (Do not trade) that should apply directly to community prize event money being traded to you for winning.

    I think most people who end up with a DNT should just be banned anyways, unless they're a highly respectable member of the community and a bit of money is owed from a bad trade.

    DNT should not able to trade, even for prize money.

    Fuck that, lol.
     
  15. Unread #8 - Nov 26, 2018 at 1:38 AM
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    [APPROVED] Allowing DNT to Participate in the Community Events

    This isn't going as smooth, as planned. Noing going to argue because it would be pointless. I'll have to choose a Big R, if this goes like this.

    EDIT: Now for real. Don't make emotional arguments.
     
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  17. Unread #9 - Nov 26, 2018 at 2:37 AM
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    [APPROVED] Allowing DNT to Participate in the Community Events

    They were not originally meant to be excluded. Staff or CDT at some point stopped them from participating. I glanced at the others commenting and to be frank - I don't care where the money comes from whether the DNT member gets it from a Sythe event or mugging a hobo as long as that DNT users victims end up with the money in the end. Also will boost event activity.

    I support.
     
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  19. Unread #10 - Nov 26, 2018 at 3:14 AM
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    [APPROVED] Allowing DNT to Participate in the Community Events

    I agree tbh.

    But i understand where blackbasses is coming from.
     
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  21. Unread #11 - Nov 26, 2018 at 5:18 AM
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    No support. DNT are the scum of Sythe and should not be allowed to benefit from any of Sythe's activities before their debt(s) are repaid.
     
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    ^This.

    TLDR:
    1) Scam 300$ like a scumbag
    2) Repeatedly spam CDT events and pretend to 'repent'
    3) Win back 300$ and use that to pardon
    4) Keep the scammed 300$
    5) ??? PROFIT

    So you're telling me its alright for the scammer to have profitted say, 1b OSRS gp, KEEP IT TO HIMSELF then get un-DNT'd without needing to pay back anything because he got lucky? What's the point of the pardon section then? I see an opportunity to scam-quit a huge amount, KEEP the money, then be given a chance to dice my chances at getting unbanned. Time for us to profit, bois ;)

    Zero support. Now if you allow DNT'd users to participate with zero rewards and solely to encourage em to rejoin the community out of their own pockets for the sake of their friends/business opportunities then this I'd support
     
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  25. Unread #13 - Nov 26, 2018 at 12:28 PM
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    Thought they were allowed if they pmed a cdt member and got permission? Anyways I support. If I was a scam victim I would want my money refunded ASAP, doesn’t matter if it came from his pocket or from his winnings in a community event. I feel like returning money to the scam victim should be the highest priority. Staff can decide whether they are sincere and feel remorseful for scamming or not and can vote on their pardon. Just because you return somebodies money your pardon is automatically accepted.
     
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  27. Unread #14 - Nov 26, 2018 at 12:29 PM
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    No. There’s ramifications to the actions these users take. They are already blessed with a DNT, they got their “freebie” from the community already. Regardless, consider it like a simple background check.. some places don’t hire/interact with felons and they must carry that burden for the entirety of their stay. Saying they should be given a privilege is ignoring the fact they already got one.
     
  29. Unread #15 - Nov 26, 2018 at 12:31 PM
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    So if I evade $300 worth of taxes, work a job and gain $300 then pay off those taxes later than what they intended = I profit $300? You act like you can only profit from community events if you have a debt to pay.
     
  31. Unread #16 - Nov 26, 2018 at 3:22 PM
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    No because they are scum they dont deserve to be part of the community
     
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    But thats exactly what dnt is... you get to be part of the community lmao
     
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    [APPROVED] Allowing DNT to Participate in the Community Events

    They can be part of it but shouldn't be able to win their prizes
     
  37. Unread #19 - Nov 26, 2018 at 5:41 PM
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    [APPROVED] Allowing DNT to Participate in the Community Events

    Support as @BlackBlasses brought up a very solid point here:
    I understand both stances on this, however at the same time (re-iterating some previously mentioned points) if prizes are going towards community repayment, then I see no issue here. The DNT rank is specifically meant to allow users to re-enter the community until they've finished off paying their debt, and/or successfully pardon. Now whether you're for DNT's/against them is a completely different debate, but if a user is putting a lot of effort into placing for an event knowing that the money is going to community repayment until his/her debt is paid off, then that says something to me. At the end of the day it's a win-win suggestion imo.
     
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  39. Unread #20 - Nov 26, 2018 at 6:15 PM
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    @King would this reduce the amount they still owned the community? If they are trying to pardon and owe money.
     
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