Requesting a TwC to Kigis

Lol, unless you're deluded, a laughing&crying emoji does not mean "no". Also a "really" does not mean "are you serious. Once again. Like I have stated above, you're twisting little things such as these. You knew I asked for 100m and you replied ambigously. It was a simple yes or no question. and in this fact you havent said no to the statement.

I made a statement of "You're giving me 100M max and a max main rental", You haven't responded to that statement so that basically means you have ACCEPTED THAT STATEMENT. As for that "really", who replies with "really". SMH, dont use your bad english as a excuse to twist little things.

It's the same scenario with you, I told you animation wasn't possible. What did you do, you accepted the unanimated signature, and started to proceed with the other orders. Legit, same scenario. The same way I have accepted the 90M on the max main account, was the way you have accepted that the animation wasnt possible.

It ain't mistakes, look at what I said with screenshots provided. I made clear what I said and you had clearly replied "alright". It's your trying to turn my actions into mistakes. I stick firm to what I have said.

How many times, am I going to say this in the thread. It was my mistake as to not making you aware, but its your mistake as to not acknowledging the fact. "You gave it to me, I found out that it wasn't animated as we had agreed on, and your response was that you were going to animate it, but it's impossible?" I gave you the signature and you asked why it isnt animated. I explained sensibly why I couldn't and have graphic designers on this website to back up my explanation. I did not say "I will animate it" after you had raised the awareness. I simply didn't. I said I couldn't and we both moved on.

You have received 12/12 images within this order all up to the best standards and quality I could have and you are happy with the quality. I told you I was busy with school work, I told you I can't do animation. Now that you know I can't do animation, this order is finished.

If he wants refund for the animation, feel free to come grab $5.

I know how to do business, and this hasn't been the best; which I can admit, but I knew of the circumstances I was in, so it was only for I to blame for taking this task. Also take into account, I havent taken more than 3 orders in 5 months, also taking into account in the past I used to take 5 orders EACH DAY. It just about shows how I care for customer satisfaction and service, I knew if I took my orders, I would have problems with time and communication, not the quality of the work that I deliver which Muuli can agree with. Time and communication is key as to answering a customer needs, and I didnt have neither in this tank. So I apologize again for my mistakes and for taking this task.

 

Had to ask for an opinion from another guy who lives in the UK. This is what @OblivionRage said:
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Even though if you wouldn't have understood the meaning of the way I used the word "Really? " you accepted the 90M 07 as the payment, and started gambling with it.

Wrong.
It's not the same scenario. Our original agreement was that the signature was animated, which it was not. What comes to the payment, the original agreement was not 100M 07, it was not 90M 07 it was $90 BTC. You came to me asking if you could take the payment as 07, and I gave you 90M for it. As I already stated, you accepted it and started gambling with it.

From my perspective? - No you don't know how to do business. You're saying that you undestand the mistakes that you've made during this order. To name a few; The bullshit deadlines, not telling me about ditching the idea of animating my signature, slow communication and so on. But how ever you still don't seem to understand the fact that our agreement was: 12/12 pieces of GFX where 2/12 were supposed to be animated. Only 1/12 were animated, and the one that I mainly said that had to be animated was indeed not animated after all.

 

You asking another guy for an opinion just shows how ambiguous what you said is. I have spoken to Muuli and has refused to answer my questions directly.

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I have asked him to justify why he used "really? " as a reply for my statement asking for "100M osrs and a maxed main", dodges the question.

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Here I have asked him yet again properly, and he answered with "what am I supposed to reply with". To a given statement, the worst you can do is reply with a ambiguous answer so the mistake is upon his part. I have clearly stated that with this sort of statement, you reply with YES OR NO and he has failed to do so.

Regarding payment, wrong again. If I ask for $90, it doesnt matter how I get it. Paypal, bitcoin, skrill, nigerian money. The whole point of me is receiving $90 in the end. I wasn't aware hm 90M 07 was and you have made me aware, so I thank you. But the deal was $90 and in response I wanted 100M OSRS so I get my full payment, but you didnt. I took the 90M 07 and saved the trouble. Also considering 90M 07 is $75 usd with a rate of 0.85M/$. So I was underpaid 15M 07 in the end, due to him saying "really?" as an answer of an statement.

Buuuut let me point out another thing @Chloe earlier used the excuse of "I have accepted the 90M 07 and to prove this I didnt argue and carried on". Same excuse can be applied here regarding the signature animation, I told him clearly that I can't do animation so instead of replying with "I want animation or nothing else", he replied with "alright" which is a clearer answer than "really?". Alright is a term used for acceptance and in this scenario he has accepted that he's not getting an animated signature.

So the same way I took the 90M 07, he proceeded to update the signature on his sythe which I aided him with and hasn't spook about it for a week.

The same way I'm talking about the $15 usd he owes me which is too late to grasp, he wants a animated signature which is not even close within his grasp.

1. I didn't have slow communication like again, prove can be given within request. I have replied to every single one of your questions and needs within 1 hour or the minute I open skype. There was no slow communication other than a few days where I was physically not available due to university interviews which I had to go around the country for.

2. All the points you have given, I have given a valid and reasonable response to. So yes, I know how to do business, like I said I keep repeating myself in this case, I was misfortune with this order. I have seen big names on this report section and one report does not defy a person.

 

There's no debating the price, he offered you 90m 07 + a max main which you more than happy to take, you cannot then when a report is made demand 10m 07 more.

However I'm going to place a TWC on Kigis due to the following:
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You went back and forth with your customer multiple times promising them animation, talking about animation, yet you never delivered what you consistently said you would, then when time came to create the animation for the signature you said "it wasn't in the pricing" however to me it seems Muuli made it extremely clear this is what he wanted.

Due to not being able to animate his signature, you will need to refund Muuli for 1 piece out of the 12 you have created.

 

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As we valued the work at $80, it would be $80/12=$6.66 via BTC
Or 07 $6.66/0.8=8.33m

Lmk which one you prefer. @Kigis

 

I tried proving my point time and time again. I wonder if you are even reading what I'm saying thoroughly.

Bs over and over again. I have said multiple times in this thread and I will list my points here.

1. He didnt offer me 90M 07, he shoved it down my throat when I clearly asked him for 100M

2. I did no go back and forth with the customer, simple as it is, he asked for animation, I said I could do it. but you are forgetting the main part. I TRIED TO THE ANIMATION. So no, stop lieing. When he asked why there wasn't animation in the signature, I did not reply "it wasn't in the pricing", I replied with a physical reasons to why I couldn't do it. I still have the files of me trying to animate it. It was impossible. AND YOU KEEP FORGETTING THE FACT HE ACCEPTED THIS REASON AND MOVED ON. LEGIT? HE HASNT BROUGHT THIS UP UNTIL TODAY FOR A GODDAMN WEEEEK.

3. It's like going to a supermarket, asking for a product, they say it comes tomorrow, it doesn't come tomorrow as they promised so you start arguing with them? First of all, he hasnt bought the product also it ain't the companies fault is to other substantial reasons.

READ MY POST AGAIN. DONT TWIST MY STUFF.

GIVING ME TWC FOR A REASON SUCH AS THIS IS WEAK WHEN I KNEW WHAT TO DO. EVERYTHING WRONG WAS IN THE CUSTOMERS PART AND YOU FAIL TO SEE THIS AS A MOD.

 

Haha, did I value the work at $80? You did, yet again admits to undervaluing my work, smh. The deal was $90 at first, why did you not pay the $90 and instead of avoid everything by saying "really"?

It's called fucking double standards @Chloe keeps forgetting that the same way I promised him animation, he promised me $90. And he has accepted the fact I couldn't do animation and I have shown it here with a sensible reason as to why I could, not saying "oh its not in the pricing", I legit have tried.

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The 3 posts that @Chloe has posted have all been biased and been ignoring all my points.
@Wortel @King @Champ can you please have have an input on this:

If you say you will do something, and tried doing it, but couldn't do it in the end due to reasonable and valid reasons. The other person has accepted this reason for 2 weeks and haven't said a complaint. Is it right for them to demand something back that he has accepted.

It's like refunding a product to a company, you can't go back to that company and get your item back once you signed a form. You have accepted the fact I couldn't do it, so why do you need it back when you have acknowledged it you can't get it.

I'm being wrongly TWC'd for something I have explained many times.

Why is he offering me 90M 07 when I clearly asked him for 100M 07, lets be real. I can't demand 10M 07 more, because I accepted. But same way he accepted his signature, but now he makes a report and demands animated signature 2 weeks after. Get real, he had 2 weeks to say something, and he hasn't which shows he was "more than happy to take it".




Respond to my points and start questioning him, you still haven't asked him anything. I have replied to every single point with a valid explanation, but still I'm in the wrong.

 

Also realise that his avatar is animated, not in the pricing, promised, but still delivered? It shows I care which this TWC says I doesn't. In this task, I was able to complete everything to the best of my ability and I'm getting TWC'd for this. I have completed everythingggg! in the best of my ability.

This animation thing is just a reason to twc me if you read what I have posted above.

 

This conversation just goes around and around. You seem to fail understanding the most important points regarding this whole report. Let me point them out to you incase you've forgotten them.

My order (which has been already proven many times on this thread) was 12 pieces of GFX. 2 of then were supposed to be animated, my signature and avatar. My avatar is animated, but signature is not. This leaves us at 11/12 pieces of work that meet the standards of my order. When your first ever GFX designer tells you over halfway through the order that it's not possible to fill, how are you supposed to react to it? The GFX that you made me is overall great in my eyes but it doesn't change the fact that it's NOT what I ordered. How on earth can you fail to see this?

The payment. How many times do I have to point this out? The agreement was $90 via BTC. YOU came to ME asking if you could receive it as 90M 07 instead. This was fairly after 3 weeks I had given you the order, which was way over your estimated completion date of the order.

I told you clearly that it was worth around $80, and you accepted it. You did ask for 100M, and I replied sarcastically with "really? " and you replied with an emoji that was laughing and crying at the same time. It's easy to say that the conversation might have been unclear, but anyone who reads it can see what it meant and I know that you know it too deep inside. Why would've you accepted the payment of 90M 07 then? It doesn't make any sence. This means that the payment was $80.

 

You don't seem to understand anything, you keep making the same points without replying to my points. Which means one thing, you cant. I have even provided screenshots where you have failed to answer my points. I have been both sided throughout this report, but you and chloe seem to be empty minded as to not replying to my points.

1. You stated here that I have told you half way through the order, not after. If I told you half way through the order, that means I have pretty much attempted it and tried doing it. I was ticking things off one by one and when it got to the signature, I told you I couldn't do it. That leads me to two.

2. "How are you supposed to react to it", thats your failure to react properly to the situation and you have shown that you cant react in a appropriate manner in many situations within this task. You did not react, you accepted it. If you have accepted it, it means you got what you have ordered. Which lets me to three as to explaining the many ways you have accepted it.

3. "How did you accept the fact?" Ummm, First of all you uploaded it into sythe which means you were aware and carried on therefore accepting the fact I couldn't do it. Second of all, you havent talked about it for 2 weeks reinforcing the fact you took the unanimated signature and accepting my reason. 2 weeks, 14 days, 336 hours and has failed to speak up about it. Third of all, you confirmed that 11/12 was completed once I have handed you all the graphics including the signature. Only UI was left and I have delivered it to him 2 days ago. If he confirmed 11/12 was done, that pretty much means signature was done. Simple as it is.

You told me clearly it was worth $80 but how did I accept it was $80 when I asked for 100M straight after. Get real.

If I ask for 100M and a max main rental, who sarcastically replies with "really". It's either you trying to dodge the statement in order for you to scam me or its due to your grammatical error. I know what Chloe will say. "You took the 90M already, why do you care". I can't decide.

I gave you a signature that wasnt animated and I have gave you the reason. The same way I took the 90M 07, you took the signature that wasnt animated. The same way I carried on using the max main with 90M 07, the same way you took the signature and put into sythe and proceeded with talking about the other orders.

Also one question which you have failed to answer repeatedly? You keep stating that you "replied sarcastically" with "really?". If @Chloe was a fair mod in this report, she would've asked this on the first post but she has failed to do so. So I will ask it.

Why did you reply with sarcasm on a given statement? What was your purpose in this matter. I have asked for 100M 07 and a maxed main rental. What was your purpose as to replying with "really?". Give me that answer on your next reply or you have failed to acknowledge everything.

 

The point is u accepted 90m 07 u didnt ask for 10m 07 more when he traded u 90m07 so u basicaly accepted that price.

 

Ok, apply that case to this scenario and see where he went wrong.

I give him signature, he asked why its not animated, I give him a proper reason. He accepts the reason and carried to proceed with the other order. The same way I accepted that price, he has accepted the quality of the signature it came at?

And like my mistake on not speaking up about the 10M 07 that is missing, he hasn't spoken to me about the animation for 2 weeks. So how am I in the wrong.

1. I have given a valid reason for everything.
2. I have done all his graphics to his quality and standard.
3. How do you know I wouldn't give him a refund if he hasn't spoke about it. If he has said earlier, I would 100% give him a refund on the animation part.

I have questions that he needs answering, but he has failed to answer them.

1) Why does he take 2 weeks to bring awareness on the fact?
2) Why did you reply with sarcasm on a given statement? What was your purpose in this matter. I have asked for 100M 07 and a maxed main rental. What was your purpose as to replying with "really?". Give me that answer on your next reply or you have failed to acknowledge everything.

If you want to answer on behalf of him, go on.

 

Im not defending him but if u run bussines u gotta be professionale and if u make mistake u gotta fix it.
With all that drama all you done was that u got twc and lost reputation which u tryed to gain over sythe.

Example i make furniture if customer order kitchen and i make mistake i gotta pay for that mistake theres no excuses BLAH BLAH and only god knows why i type that there.

And just for info before u type or say anything think before what u gona say think what u going to type and u wont have problems like this. [U wont have problems like *only god knows why i typed that there*]

 

Yes, but I'm not defending my mistakes. I'm questioning as to what he needs throughout his report and he has failed to do so. I have legit said through out this report that I will fix my problems and I have apologized numerous times for my mistakes. But I want this report done with honesty and integrity.

Just the lies and misconceptions and so forth, that's what made this drama go even further. I am willingly able to fix my mistakes and I have shown this in the past many times and I have told him before this report that I would acquire to all his needs. If he does not bring light to my mistakes, how am I suppose to fix my own mistakes.

If you had promised to go to someones wedding, and they expect you to be there. You can't make it due to 100% no way of transport and you have tried. Will you hold that guy accountable?

Like I said, I'm happy to fix my mistakes but he wants is to expose me for something that I aint accountable for and the mods have fallen for this hence the TWC.

 

well time for me to tell you something. you probably haven't read the whole report. have you notice that both have been accepting what each of them offer? this case taking to long.
Kigis accepted 90m and max acc rental.
Muuli got told by kigis that he couldn't do the animated part and he accepted the signature without saying anything. and waited 2 weeks to bring this up?
now from my point of view since both been accepting each other offer they must keep going up or Muuli have to pay 10m since the original deal was 100m or $100 btc and Kigis have to animated the signature since it was the original order.
anyway I wont be posting more I don't feel like getting my butt infract. message me and create a group between us 4 and we discuss there .
and for Muuli. if you didn't like the signature without animation you should of have ask for a refund right away but you did accept the signature with is not kigis fault from the start then.

 

Honestly idk how u can compare wedding and Bussines.

 

[EDIT]: Just realized how shit of a comparable situation it is. My mistake.

It aint the wedding or business, its scenario I was in.

I have promised something and I could not do it with valid reasons. Would you hold me accountable for something I couldn't do and if you do, state it. He hasn't stated it for 2 weeks and didnt demand a refund when I have given him as to a reason why I couldn't animate it.

Business terms, every second is vital in business and you must be quick and judgmental within business. You have take the right options and the same way I didn't make the right decision as to enquiring for the other 10M 07 and my mistake was not doing the second I saw 90M 07 on the account. I was going to mention it but just accepted it and carried on. So in business terms his mistake is not being judgmental within the given situation and him taking 2 weeks to reply. 2 weeks in business terms is way too long.

 

@Kigis is waiting to refund you @Muuli please get in contact asap.

 

Will do

 

@Kigis @Muuli any progress?