Reporting for Scamming Name 60m

Confirmation of PM from user and terms of name transfer:

PM confirming his skype:




Me giving him the account details and then him claiming I scammed him:



Me confirming I have the name before: (Please notice the times of all of these pics)



Here he claims I told him no one knows about the account name but he admits to lying once again:


Please ban this user or make him refund me. He recently donated his $100 and he can scam in the interim while you mods make your decision. Thank you. Its a shame that this scum would scam for a username after specifically agreeing that he is fully responsible for the transfer.

 

PLEASE BAN THIS USER WHILE YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION:

 

hahahahaah nice

 

Honestly, I think it's kind of dumb you all attempted to move a D name on the day it came out. Do you realize the amount of snipers watching any name of value (especially fresh names) that are expected to be moved? I know you do and I get it, I just think a little patience could go a long way.

How many people new this name was for sale? (Says 1 in chat, but no posts or anything alluding to it?)

Even with proof of the snipe, it's still very possible someone outside of Sinatra did it or you did it yourself in an attempt to frame/make double the cash.

Sinatra if you claimed responsibility, you need to pay him unless you can prove it was a setup; if it's not your responsibility then you either don't pay him or split the loss of the name (these two to be decided with more staff input).


From here on out, I would advocate recording the entirety of your desktop while doing name transfers. It is the only thing that will prove your innocence (if some name sellers could let me know what they think of this, I will make a sticky suggesting it in name sales @Basement @Dunworry @KLucius @Soul Rich )

 

@Tmoe

Here I ask him to record him or screenshare with a MM:


In our PM it specifically says he will take responsibility for everything and once the name leaves the account he will pay. He agrees to the terms and PMs me and then when he transfer the name he immediately says that I took it when I gave him access to the account for a timeframe and did not insist him to transfer it instantly. He knows their was a risk involved in transferring but he decides to not record the screen or even screenshare with a MM?

 

Wouldn't help. Other computers, VPS, having a friend do it. Can't prove anything pretty much, which makes it sketchy. If you want, I'm happy to make a sticky clearly outlining responsibility. The info is all there but it's spread across 2 stickies with a lot to read between them, so I could condense it explaining responsibility and such

 

@Dunworry If he was to record the screen and open two tabs and multi logged to change name and to click at the same time milliseconds apart on screens there would be no way his friend could see the name changed and then click change before he can especially when he changed the account name back to the same name (lets say 414XXX) twice thereby erasing the name I was selling Him (Dress). That would take longer.

 

I am about to head off for the night so I will respond in the morning unless another moderator finishes this report.

Panic, I don't really think any of Sinatra's behavior was sketchy; rather, wanting to be sure before he paid out.

@Dunworry I realize the other computer/vps/friends and the like, but ideally you'd notice the lack of mouse movement if they hopped to another computer and working with another person increases probability of being caught. Feel free to consolidate stickies or PM me the recommendation/consolidation and I'll post them.

 

Pretty much what dunworry said, we've all been in a situation where an accusation has been made of an alternate computer, despite having a recording so there just isn't any sense making them because of the possibility it could happen.

As for moving D names on D-Day (had to), it's not a problem unless you make it one by A poor communication and B being slow.

And the main point of all name sales reports, there's just no proof

 

@Basement @Dunworry @Tmoe If he was to record the screen and open two tabs and multi logged to change name and to click at the same time milliseconds apart on screens there would be no way his friend could see the name changed and then click change before he can especially when he changed the account name back to the same name (lets say 414XXX) twice thereby erasing the name I was selling Him (Dress). That would take longer.

 

Would this not be the same situation as if I was to sell Won Gold 1B 07 and when he was in possession of the gold he got banned instantly he would still have to pay? He surely wouldnt accuse me of being a Jagex mod and use that as an excuse to weasel his way out of paying me and not take the loss be it he really did get banned or not (when he didnt even record the trade after being asked to). This is exactly what Sinatra is trying to do.

Especially when we specifically said I take no responsibility before he even pmed me. He agreed and the name left the account when he was in possession of the account.

 

Like I've stated, and will reiterate again. I have no problems repaying him as I did agree to his fucky-pushy terms, but I just wanted a weigh in from multiple eyes as this to me looks like shit from the get-go. @Tmoe

 

Like I said, I am not happy that you are angry but I really did have nothing to do with it. I tried to accommodate all your requests and gave you a good timeframe to transfer the name as you saw it was on a staker account. You double changed the username to the same username so there is no way I could have see you changing the username to the same thing then going to snipe the name I was selling you within the same millisecond of you clicking.

 

"Tried to accommdate all your requests" lol

 

I really dont understand why you are still trying to weasel your way out of the terms you agreed to before. Look at the PM and you will see. Then you're quick to put blame on me, someone innocent who did nothing. If I did why would I be so adamant to try and get the money I lost back.

 

Well, before the sale someone has to take responsibility for snipes regardless, or have some sort of terms/conditions set to prevent issues like these arising (like I do on my thread).

Regardless of if PanicRoom sniped the name himself or not, Young_Sinatra agreed to pay him once the name leaves the account as far as I can see which were the "terms" agreed by them both, hence Young should owe Panic the $$ regardless of if he got the name or not.

Was just a bad idea to transfer D names on the day of release. The name "Dress" seems to be sniped on a fresh account which leads me to believe either a bot sniped it, or this was a set up and Panic sniped it himself. But we can never know, thats why its better to take better precautions as a trusted name buyer/seller to avoid this for happening..

 

In this post Sinatra is discussing about a sniping bot with another user which shows that he has strong knowledge on the topic of Sniping:



Here he talks about how "Easy the script is to write" :

 

Without going too into depth, there certainly are ways to get around it. The only way to ensure someone didn't snipe a name or collude to would be to monitor all skype chats, texts, snapchats, and any and all voice communication platforms from the time they are told the name to the time they transfer it. Granted that's overboard and eliminating all doubt, but it's conceivable that all these methods could be used to collude and/or snipe a name.

Usually for name sales, it's best to have one person log into both accounts and do the transfer so that there is no lag time in communication. That being said, someone has to accept responsibility, or responsibility is split. When a deal is made is has to be honored. It's unfortunate the name was sniped, but when you accept responsibility you need to understand that there is a real chance the trade could go wrong and you'll be out the money. I haven't read any of the chatlogs; however, I can tell you from experience that pretty much the only way to prove someone sniped a name is an admission from the guilty party. It's unfortunate, but it's the structure of the market with the high level of proof required. Sinatra, as well as other possible traders in the market reading this, I really urge you to do one, or more, of the following things:

1. Understand that name sales can go south easily. Whether the seller told a lot of people, he told the wrong person, or maybe someone has just been watching it since it got released, names are able to be sniped even if you transfer it very efficiently. Autoclickers on names are a bitch.
2. Understand what accepting responsibility means, and understand the risk associated with it
3. If someone is being sketchy in the way they type, as Sinatra was claiming the seller was, go with your gut feeling and don't do the trade
4. If you're uncomfortable with a trade, get someone like Niki/Basement/Josh who offers do to transfers for a few. They often cover the cost of the name should it be sniped under their service

Basically, be prepared to lost money here and there when making deals. Be careful who you trade with, use a name transfer service if you're uncomfortable. The name sales is one of the sketchiest market in that unlike many other markets, if a name gets sniped you can't prove who did it. So pick carefully who you trade with and if you're willing to accept responsibility

 

Honestly, shut up you retard. Me quoting you is not weaseling out of anything, such a drama queen over 60m 07, I promise you, everything will be okay.

 

@Dunworry Here he specifically talks about the bot which is really suspicious: