Reporting BulletProof (breach of contract and botting)

Scammer's profile link: BulletProof


Explanation of the trade: Two maxed mains level 3 to maxed for 460m

How they scammed: BulletProof macro'd on both of my accounts, causing 1 account to be locked and banned permanently, and the other one to receive a 2 day temporary ban.

Proof that it's their Skype:

Skype profile ID & conversation pictures: Nothing in Skype is super relevant in this case; There is a lot of conversation and I want to keep this report organized and minimal of large pictures.

Proof that the service was not completed:



I'm going to reorganize my thoughts here so that mods can clearly read what happened and what the real issues are, and hopefully this forum will not be spammed like last time. Apologies to the moderators.

Breach of Contract
This is BulletProof's contract agreement for NMZ training


It can clearly be seen at the top that BulletProof will be required to provide "EVERY SCREENSHOT OF YOU LEVELING UP" at any time. I requested this and it was ignored; not every screenshot was there.

Users such as c0ngs came onto my last report thread and gave their opinions on the case. c0ngs stated that he has over 40,000 screenshots across 600+ accounts all trained on osbuddy. He has reinstalled osbuddy several times, and every single screenshot is still there. Not a single one is missing. c0ngs messaged Azie about this issue, and this is a direct quote:

"He's also missing screenshots coincidentally. Osbuddy doesn't randomly not take screenshots, no matter how shit your pc is. The software will either work, or not. Not a single support ticket/complaint was ever made on osbuddy not taking screenshots either & [it is] very coincidental that the only person who's affected by this is coincidentally also a power leveler that's gotten banned for botting."

I am requiring that these screenshots are IN ORDER as osbuddy clearly screenshots and leaves them in level order. Failure to provide screenshots of EVERY level up on the account clearly results in breach of his own contract.

I want this breach of contract addressed above, and I will be organizing the rest of my proof from the other thread here.


NMZ training doesn't add up



BulletProof started training the accounts on December 18th. The accounts were banned on January 12th. This is a 25 day period for bullet to have trained all of my accounts. This is the hans age on the 14th, when the accounts were unbanned. At roughly 16 days with 25 days total time, he averaged 15+ hours per day.

He played at least 15 hours+ a day, while being deployed (a full time job). Throughout the training when I was requesting screenshots he would say stuff like "I can't give screenshots right now as I am going to work," or "I can't log in right now because I'm at work."

Then take a look at the math behind exp/hour:

8033931 xp from 70-95
6458002 xp from 70-93

14491933 xp from both combined

456 hours between 23rd of december (the first "update" screenshot at 70/70 stats) & 11th of january (including the 11th)
241 hours it would take getting those stats with 60K/H exp (a low end amount of strength exp to get/hour at even 85+ strength)

at 241 average hours/19 days, that is 12.6 hours average per day. This inefficiency is most likely caused by the accounts being logged in just standing there from autoclicking.

Also, the original contract deal was for him to use dharoks to train the accounts. If he is training 15 hours+ per day, then he should be willing to repair the dh which takes 1 minute; it would skyrocket his exp rates and improve his total income/time on the contract. He was clearly putting absolute minimal effort into the account.

Failure to provide screenshots on all occasions
I encourage bulletproof to find A SINGLE TIME where I asked for screenshots and he was able to immediately reply with a screenshot of his osbuddy with the accounts training.







This is the picture he sent me.




It took him several hours to send me a screenshot, and you can see from the exp gained that he had just started training them for that session.

I'd also like to re-explain the account unban.

Two accounts received macroing moderate bans. These bans were most likely not third party client bans, as the accounts were/are only 1 month old and one was only temporarily banned.

When recovering an account, jagex checks to see if the account was being hijacked and botted on by a foreign ip.
I could not have possibly been the one to bot the account, as bullet has claimed to have every account level done hand trained by himself. The only explanation is that bulletproof was botting the accounts.



Azie just confirmed that my recovering method is legitimate, as he just recovered/unbanned his OWN account that was botted and banned by another sythe user.


So what I have (in my opinion) summarized so far:

• He doesn't have all screenshots
• He broke his own rules
• His time spend logged in doesn't lign up with the exp/H he should be getting for that time logged in.
• My accounts wouldn't have been unbanned if the OO botted tutorial Island (because that would be the OO botting)
• He rarely if ever was behind his pc when I pmed him even though he plays for 15 hours a day.
• He could almost never provide me with gyazo's when I asked for them.
• If anything all this should lead to at least reasonable doubt.

Other relevant screenshots






C0ngs' osbuddy account folder



I'd also like to state again that these accounts are not all "clean and good to go." Both accounts have black marks, with 1 having a temporary ban (half meter). As a staker, these black marks allow Jagex to flag the accounts easier for future RWT.

 

You don't know the times I played nor is it your concern already showed yankiee proof of me training my account on osbuddy and it skipping screen shots whether my osbuddy is messed up that's not your concern either you have been proven to bot kiddo and you aren't getting more money out of me. None of what you said above proves that I bot nor does anything above have anything to do with me giving you screen shots yeah or I'm at work I don't have to give you shit because I'm working. You will always be a nothing in life so I'm not too worried

 

• He doesn't have all screenshots

This is correct. His terms of service do state he can provide all screenshots which he failed to. There have been several OSBuddy users that have verified that all screenshots should always be available. There is never the case that the program only takes specific screenshots.

Why this could be?
-Botting levels that have no photo
-Another person using their own OSBuddy client to train (not stated so excluded)
-Bulletproof deleting specific images (Why would he do that?)

• He broke his own rules

Rule 1 has undoubtably been broken. The other rule in question is the term that all services are hand done.

• His time spend logged in doesn't lign up with the exp/H he should be getting for that time logged in.

I have to say that based on the information provided this seems to align with what Sleepy has said. It seems that either:

-XP/H was a lot lower than average XP/H
-A lot of AFK'ing was done while account remained online
-3rd party software being used to stay online?
-Bulletproof was afk'ing himself for fairly long periods

• My accounts wouldn't have been unbanned if the OO botted tutorial Island (because that would be the OO botting)

In regards to the account being banned, once a recovery appeal is sent. If an account is banned for botting then logically Jagex would check whether any botting was done on the OO's IP. If Jagex realise that no botting was done on the original owner's IP then it most likely was someone else hence unbanned.

An account that I had made was banned for a major macro offence. I was probably on the account for like 5/10 minutes. I cant even remember whether I completed the tutorial island. @Zufall had a service where he would BOT the account and accept payment after service is complete assuming no ban. My account got banned for a major macro offence and I was able to successfully recover the account yesterday. I got an email today stating recovery appeal successful. It was deemed by Jagex that I (OO) was not the person botting on the account and it was someone else. The major macro ban has been reversed.

Why this is relevant?

It aligns with the story provided by Sleepy. He went through the same process and the recovery was successful. I know for a fact that my account was botted on and when I appealed it was successful. @Zufall can also confirm this.

• He rarely if ever was behind his pc when I pmed him even though he plays for 15 hours a day.

I find this odd because it doesn't make sense. A few times screenshots were requested and they were delayed as Bulletproof was at work. I don't really know how we staff can verify this to be honest. Just the fact that the accounts were online for such a long time with being at work so often doesn't exactly fit the puzzle.

• He could almost never provide me with gyazo's when I asked for them.

Already discussed.

• If anything all this should lead to at least reasonable doubt.

There was always reasonable doubt just not enough.


@Bulletproof I want to also your hear side of things. Would you be able to explain the amount of time spent online as highlighted by Sleepy?

 

sure, where do i start.

Jagex does NOT unban accounts for macro-ing under any circumstance. "Hi-jacked" or not. It's very clear the reason any bans were placed are the ip changes on the account, a preventative ban. Being that these were removed when he recovered the account it proves this was the reason behind the bans being placed. MOST importantly, IF these bans were placed for actual botting, I'm am 100% positive under the very minute chance the accounts were unbanned they would have had ALL the botted training rolled back. I'm sick of stupid reports.

I am deployed yes, I have nothing better to do with my life yes, I have spent many nights awake not doing a god damn thing because i can't sleep. I am allowed to bring my laptop to work I am allowed to play at work most of the time when i work and @TySimpson can verify that because he knows what I do, he has seen what I do and he can tell you that is fact. For the 15 hours a day, I have trained many of my own accounts at a time, I have quested many of my own accounts. I literally have nothing to do here in the middle of the desert besides sit on my computer, I am hooked on sleeping pills because I cant even fall asleep anymore and I am unhappy I am here. I feel like I don't even need to explain this, when this little fat rat asked me something if I wasnt sleeping I would answer back almost immediately and if I didnt I would when I saw the skype notification. I don't sit there and stare at skype 24/7 and shit sometimes when I try to run skype on my computer it crashes due to my internet being so god damn bad out here and then it will only work at my phone.

The whole time where he said he could barely provide me with screen shots when I asked? ok one second, OP DS never asked for any I would have to be the one to always send him some randomly, this kid is literally a lying fat rat of sythe, if I had the energy to actually sit here and post the whole conversation of our skype chat you would see for your self but at this time I am sick of this idiot and Im ready to just give up and call it quits.

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as you can see many times this idiot never even asked me for screen shots EVER lets see all these "times" you asked im so interested honestly, i would send him updates on my OWN without him asking, for me being at work for the 40m yeah i was at work, for when he asked that ONE TIME about an update yes I was sleeping and when i logged back in I answered him back and SENT HIM A SCREEN SHOT.

FURTHER MORE IF I AM AT WORK THAT IS NONE OF HIS CONCERN OR BUSINESS. This rat has lied again because in the gyazos above i just showed you many times where i sent him screen shots without him asking and he never replied back, shit the kid never is even at his computer, proof that hes NEVER EVEN THERE or that our "times wont ever line up" Gyazo - 3f81f45ce943ecb54d307a3d801469e6.png


also lets revist how much of a rush he is in concluding that he would want to bot because he was acting so sketch saying that he needed this done SO FAST before he looses MORE MONEY

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And as far as c0ngs shit goes idc, idc about him, idc if he disappears from life that would be fine with me, just because he completes a maxed main in 34 days and bots it and has every screen shot (nice job retard) that means he woulda spent 23 hrs and 59 minutes a day playing OMG WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ARE WE GONNA SUE HIM.

One last time, sleepy, c0ngs and any other idiot I dont need to explain my self to either one of you, if my computer doesnt take a picture or doesnt put it in the folder or whatever the case is maybe it doesnt because of lack of connection sometimes? I dont know, you both retards especially dont know, so your accusations of what MY COMPUTER and what my OSBUDDY do is none of your concern, I showed yankiee a video of me playing MY OWN ACCOUNT AND RECORDING MY OWN LEVEL UPS UNTIL OSBUDDY SKIPPED ONE which it did, like always but again thats none of your concern, "OH MA GAWD MY OSBUDDY NEVER DOES THAT, MUST BE THE SAME THING FOR EVERY OTHER USER OUT THERE"

MY OSBUDDY SETTINGS

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so sit down you two idiots, that is all I have if you believe him because there is STILL NO PROOF OF ME BOTTING that will be that, but he wont be getting any money from me based on the time i spent training that is idiotic, but there ya are @Azie

 

Are you accusing @Azie of also lying about having his accounts unbanned for @Zufall botting on the accounts?

The rest is just emotional nonsense as usual, mods let me know if there is anything I need to actually address.

 

further more this screen shot could be of some random acc also so thats nice.


"at 241 average hours/19 days, that is 12.6 hours average per day. This inefficiency is most likely caused by the accounts being logged in just standing there from autoclicking."

thats assumption and not factual either, good job.

 

also want to point out where he said "can you check think i put what needed?" that was for the armor he put on the account before i even started, and then the other one is getting his 40m back so this has any relevance to what....? are you special.....? lol?

 

Unless you have been having rapidly changing work schedules, it is relevant as I am asking for you to simply log into runescape or supply things, and you are unable to because of work. This highlights the suspicious nature of your training as how can you pull 15+ hours and not be able to log in at most hours that you are awake.

 

I would just like to point out that Bulletproof did indeed show me a video of a level up and going to the folder after with no screenshot present. I'm unsure why this is but I can confirm this is the case. If he knew it did this, he shouldn't have said he can provide every level up; considering the breach of contract, we will go into deeper discussion about this and leave the case open for now. Thank you for your patience.

 

I asked for another video just to be sure he wasn't being tricky. The 2nd video showed the settings being on before & after the level up with no screenshot for the same level & skill showed in the video under the correct RSN folder.

 

I can vouch for what @Azie said.

 

I just want to mention again that the lack of osbuddy screenshots is only relevant for the breach of contract. I am not responsible for his osbuddy messing up; it was his own rules that he broke.
The rest of my proof is completely independent of the screenshots, as I've already stated that macroing moderate bans on 1 month old accounts can only be a result of autoclickers, not 3rd party clients. I had never argued that the lack of screenshots is proof of botting. It was simply another shady factor in this entire ordeal.

 

@Yankiee
Please post the proof that bulletproof is speaking about. Just a reminder that anything to do with osbuddy screenshots is irrelevant. @Azie already stated that he broke his own rules for that.

 

so everytime i train people i do this dont i? you are retarded as shit

 

You went from having 90% of screenshots, to being able to record a 100% case of disappearing screenshots. Yes, you are faking your evidence. Thank you @c0ngs

 

I can contribute later when I get home from work

 

I have already send it to Azie however I won't be posting it on the thread. It has his RSN in the video and Idk how to edit that out.

Considering the breach of contract, we will go into deeper discussion about this and leave the case open for now. Thank you for your patience.

Due to the case being closed last time with confusion between Tmoe, Azie, and myself, we will not be making decisions until we fully discuss what is necessary with each other this time. I hope you can understand.

 

I'm going to quote @Bulletproof

"Jagex does NOT unban accounts for macro-ing under any circumstance. "Hi-jacked" or not. It's very clear the reason any bans were placed are the ip changes on the account, a preventative ban. Being that these were removed when he recovered the account it proves this was the reason behind the bans being placed. MOST importantly, IF these bans were placed for actual botting, I'm am 100% positive under the very minute chance the accounts were unbanned they would have had ALL the botted training rolled back. I'm sick of stupid reports."

What about the fact that the offences on the account can clearly be seen as a macro offence? If the ban was caused by a macro offence then obviously the macro/botting offence was removed hence the unban?

Are you saying the ban reason Jagex state for a IP change is macroing?

Also, my account was unbanned for a major macro offence. I know for a fact that botting was done there is no disputing that as I accepted the service. I knew it was going to be botted. Therefore, your theory stating that "Jagex does NOT unban accounts for macro-ing under any circumstance" is false? My account was unbanned for a macro offence?

 

im not saying that but could be possible for both things you just said, still @Azie i showed all the proof i could and its still not proven that i botted.

 

I know @Azie already tested the process, but it doesn't even have to be questioned. This is a direct forum post with a jagex moderator stating that they investigate hijacked accounts that have macroing bans.

Hijack Macro Ban Review Update - Community Led Account Help - RuneScape Forum

@Yankiee @Azie