Removal of the ability to VETO a pardon

Like John said "I'm not too worried about it with the current staff team" but I Support this. No need for there to be a Veto system doesnt make too much sense to me when it comes down to voting anyways..

 

If two admins veto it in a lower stage it isn't going to pass in the USL anyways. I've only seen it used on majorly shitty people like Folt so I think it's fine how it is. There's been like what maybe 1 vetoed pardon every 6 months and it's been a very deserving candidate?

 

He doesn't qualify as a general administrator, no. If Richard would veto a pardon, then it wouldn't even need 2 veto's, it would just get denied. If we would remove the ruling about vetoing a pardon, Richard could still veto a pardon. it's his own site. He can decide who gets on and who doesn't.

 

As an admin, I'm perfectly fine with removing the rule and I know I'm not the only one either. That rule was written a long time ago, in the age of DNT it probably shouldn't belong I agree

 

I'm vetoing this solely on the basis of not liking it, business as usual

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Obviously I'd support this. Since I've been banned I've received about 20 total Supports (including many upper staff supports) across multiple pardons and none have gone through as a pass.

Based on public expressions made by those two admins at the time - Decisions we're made on a personal basis. Some admins should take things more seriously, having more respect, and not bringing serious matters (scam reports and pardon discussions) to a troll and public level on the spam forums. Admins are very influential members and any opinions or slander they share, even in the spam forum is a representation of the site. I'm not sure if some of the recent staff changes in regards to admin demotions were voluntary or not - but they seem to be constructive either way.

@Lean couldn't be more right in saying that it's demotivating and encourages further rule breaking. I've seen it get to a point for some where they've turned to scamming or ban evading as a form of rebuttal for a denied pardon, DNT has been helping out big time with this. At the end of the day, I have a lot of friends on here but honestly don't feel welcome at all due to personal opinions shared by a specific administrator who continues to slander my name and holds personal grudges against me while he has NEVER interacting or had any form of communication with me whatsoever. I could ban evade or scam but I have too much self respect and care way too much about my business and reputation outside of Sythe.

 

There's a difference between a veto and a pardon denial and i'm pretty sure that's the only pardon of yours that was blatantly vetoed. It's because you're a piece of shit anyways. As previously stated a pardon gets vetoed what every 6 months? Generally most of them are huge pieces of shit just like you who wouldn't be pardoned anyways. I've also yet to see a direct correlation between pardons being vetoed and the user continuing to scam, because according to yourself you haven't scammed or wronged anyone unless you care to provide evidence of another case? Pardon denial and scamming perhaps occurs once in a while but we aren't talking about pardon denial due to lack of support or 5 no supports.

You also can't assume your pardon was vetoed because of their personal dislike of you because as previously stated you're a huge piece of shit.

 

As much as you'd like it to be, this thread isn't about me. I'm just here supporting Lean and his suggestion by providing FACTUAL evidence as opposed to heresay, popular belief and personal opinions. If you want to discuss off topic matters some more or get personal things with me off your chest, id gladly get back to you via PM; however I won't be giving you the attention that you're usually starving for when you're publicly bitching.

 

I share these sentiments also

with the direction of the site it should probably be removed

That said, I think Shin is right when nobody's really used this for the sole reason of blocking someone they don't like from returning to the site

 

You were vetoed because you didnt deserve to be here, pretty simple

 

You presented evidence that you were vetoed, not that you were vetoed due to personal reasons as you so claimed or evidence of any of your other claims. By the way, you're a piece of shit.

 

That's according to YOU, how about the other 20 some odd supports I've received? You were lucky enough to have Jack as a probationary admin at the time to get the second Veto vote in which was probably directly influenced by the amount of slander you posted in the spam forum. I say this because Jack actually SUPPORTED my pardon for the same ban reason only 6 months prior to the time he voted his veto along with you...

This is a great example of why the pardon program needs to be reworked to be more fair in regards to a more fair majority vote. It made no sense for your vote to carry that much weight due to the fact that your thoughts about me are preposterous and based on the ASSUMPTION that I broke a rule without any concrete proof being there. I mean hell, if I was as big of a scum as you thought I was I wouldn't be here to talk about it and rather be making alternate Sythe accounts conducting petty scams.

Even after all of the bullshit you've dragged my name through without really knowing me I've tried to stomach it thinking that one day we'd be able to settle differences, because the fact of the matter is that we're both always going to be around here.. On the other hand It's becoming clear to me why you aren't an administrator anymore, I don't doubt that you've done your fair share of support and work on the staff team in the past, however; It doesn't seem like your negative and close minded attitude fits in anymore with the positive and diverse changes that are being made to Sythe.

 

you seriously need to calm down lol.

on a side note, i 100% support this idea because everybody here is human meaning at some point or another the system most definitely has been abused.

 

20 supports across 3 -4 or more pardons isnt impressive at all. I would have gotten a different admin if jack hadnt stepped up, either way the end result would still be the same.

Admin vetos always carried a lot of weight, as they were intended to. If DNT wasnt here, you wouldnt be either and thats fact.

I went to global for activity reasons, had nothing to do with anything else. I have historically been one of the most unbiased mods this site has ever seen.


In closing it doesnt matter if you get rid of the veto or not, its hardly ever used and the results will always be the same with it or without it.

 

Support, Sythe himself should only be able to Veta a pardon since he is the owner.

 

Pardon threads are closed after 5 supports, at least mine have been.. My pardons always hit that maximum, in fact I've gotten 6 supports at once before it was closed. I'm not going to say that you're the only one not supporting me because if that was the case I wouldn't be DNT right now and I can accept that.

You expressed extremely negative thoughts about me while hardly knowing or interacting with me. Its doubtful that you've even taken time to read through my pardons or acknowledge the amount of feedback I have under my belt. Without a single scam report against me you've been set on keeping me off the forums. The pardon system exists with the principle that users will learn from time, discipline and change - It seems in most cases that you're headstrong and have your mind set without wanting to change. If you refuse to believe that users can change or correct past behaviour then you don't support the pardon system for what it is, thus you shouldn't even be allowed to participate in the voting.

If vetoes don't make a difference in the final result then why should they even exist?

 

I agree, the staff team should be exactly that, a team. One staff member giving a veto shouldn't invalidate what the other staff members feel.

 

I find it ironic that shitheads like folt are whining about VETO's when their whole presence online is simply fucking people over to make a bit of extra cash.

 

If an admin veto's a pardon it's because they know for a fact that person should not be pardoned (at least at that point in time).

I see newer staff supporting pardons where they have no idea who the user is or wasn't around during their time period, yet they support the pardon anyway. Administrators will always be users who have been on the site at least a few years and will may know more than the Globals even about a certain case or whatnot (whether it be because they've been around longer or there is certain information only the admins know about).

Leave the system as it is, if some people think one admin is "corrupt" and vetoting a pardon then at least the pardon is not closed until two admins veto it.

 

I've already expressed to staff in the past the ability to veto doesn't need to be in place. I have no qualms with it being removed.