Re-Ban KingNaruto

KingNaruto never paid his "loans" to me and his other co-workers, he should be banned so he doesn't have the opportunity to scam anyone else. He has several hundred dollars of outstanding "loans" that he collected and promised to invest the money to host with. After this, he "resigned for school" so he wasn't able to pay the multiple people he begged for money from, yet he was still trading actively on Sythe.org

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Also, please let it be noted for any mods who are reading this for his pardon that he showed no remorse to his victims (calling me names & accusing me of scamming with no proof & other reputation damaging activities) prior and made no attempts to pay back until he realized I had backed up evidence in our site's database.

He has since removed me from Skype:

http://i.imgur.com/RmE8iHu.png

 

This is a scam report. Where is the evidence of no repayment?

I will need this in order to "prosecute". Thanks.

 

He incriminated himself? How can I prove that I wasn't paid other than him saying that I covered his personal "loans" for him until he received payment from KO and him deleting me off of Skype and talking shit about me? In any other report, a confession is more than enough, what makes this different?

 

If you're talking about you "covering loans" for him, you'll need to include conversations or agreements that you've had with one another (there are no amounts listed in this thread).
In addition, any losses incurred from Dragon Dyce (or PlayerSwap), if any, will need to be assessed as well.

If you were indeed covering loans for him until he received payment from K0, I believe you would bare responsibility for that, as you and Jon were both aware K0 was scammed ranks for months, but didn't mention anything. However, I believe you stated something about you and Jon dealing with refunding ranks for their losses incurred by K0. Wouldn't this be another case of the above?

Please correct me where I am wrong. Thank you.

 

KingNaruto took out personal loans with numerous coworkers. After doing this, he resigned from Dragon Dyce on claims that he did not have time for business because he was focusing on school. A quick search of his Sythe posts will show that he was definitely active after his "resignation".

Me covering his personal loans for him was based on the eventuality that I would be repayed, I didn't pay all those people as a gift.. He was scammed by KO, but so were 20 other people including me, it doesn't give him, me, or anyone else a free pass to go on a scamming spree.

We have the chat logs in a report thread in the admin section of our old database, it's just a matter of restoring it on iPB in order to access it. He clearly enumerates how much he owes in the chat logs and his "resignation". For the sake of showing that KingNaruto doesn't know how much he owes (because he didn't plan on paying anyone back), I would like for a mod to ask him how much he owes to see if he even knows.

The total amount that was fronted to Chad out of his "loan", which made us unable to pay other people that KO owed during the time that Jon & Myself managed finances was a starting amount of 92m 07 and 1.2b EoC. At the time of the clan dissolve, he had an outstanding balance of 57m 07 and 30m EoC, which means he received a combined 1170m EoC and 45m 07 worth of personal loan payments/personal fee covering which would have otherwise been used to pay back KO's scams prior to the admins dissolving the clan.

We took over the clan finances forcefully to try to undo some of the damage that KO had done, and risked our jobs doing it, and even shelled out tons of our own personal earnings doing so. I am not responsible for KO's scams any more than you are responsible for iZinc's. I paid back other people before I paid back myself, and ended up being owed MORE by the time we dissolved the clan than before I started managing the clan finances. I do not take on the entirety of the $20,000+ of KO's debt by offering my own personal time and money to some of victims.

I would tread carefully here sir. It sounds like you don't even begin to understand how much that Jon and I care for the clan that we would sacrifice years of our lives and health on it and thousands of our own hard earned dollars. Need I remind that you vehemently defended iZinc in the SF even though you yourself were a victim of his scams, while Jon and I did everything we could to pay back money we didn't even owe, even when it cost us everything.

 

In order to do anything, I'll need you to post proof showing the amounts of personal loans he took out with numerous people, as well as the personal loans you covered for him. In addition, proof will need to be provided showing said personal loans have not been fully re-paid to those users (you, included).

Alright. Please restore this information so it may be provided. I would like to view his "resignation" as well if it still exists.

I have no reason to ask KingNaruto this. It appears you may not be aware of what he actually owes or doesn't owe as well, so I don't see any reason to give KingNaruto the chance to falsely or accidentally implicate himself. However, he has sent me a few PM's claiming everything has been re-paid, but everything provided by you and him thus far is hearsay. I need hard evidence.

Alright, I'm glad to see some numbers are finally being posted, but I need hard evidence which would support your claim(s). However, was he the only reason other scams by KO weren't paid back? Or, are you stating that had these "loans" been paid back, you would have then had additional money to fund repayments for KO's scams.

In addition, were repayments to those scammed completed in full or stopped after the "business" was taken over?

When you take over a business, you share the responsibility of maintaining the business as well as the debts that currently exist. A thread may need to be made regarding this in the Staff Lounge, however, to see whether or not you should be responsible for these debts as a result of the hostile takeover. I don't think these debts can simply be "washed away", but I think this would be something for the entire Staff to decide upon given you and Jon had knowledge of KO's scams, were trying to pay some of the debts back, and did not reveal this information until a time which may be considered "convenient" (I say this very lightly, but it's how I feel many people would interpret it...).

Please read the statements made above.

The amount of care either of you have for the clan is irrelevant to me. All I care about is handling this scam report, which you've failed to provide evidence for. Regarding the SF thread and iZinC, my responding had nothing to do with iZinC. You made a reply to the thread which frustrated me, as the entire case was intended to stay within the confines of the dispute forum. The post I'm referring to is here:

You continually posted the same evidence thereafter and made the same arguments over and over, even if they had been addressed or answered. As this situation had spewed into the spam forum, I told FireZ and Roary I was going to deal with it and asked them to stop me the moment they thought I was going too far, getting too personal, or had said enough.

My intentions were to respond to all of the repetitive arguments you had, so you could actually see what solid arguments you had. Although iZinC was a presence in the thread, I can assure you my intentions had nothing to do with defending him. Once Roary and FireZ said I had done enough, I stopped responding to the thread immediately.

All of the above is completely irrelevant, but given the fact you've told me to "tread lightly", I feel it would be rude to not address your accusations which could have been handled via PM.

This is a scam report regarding KingNaruto.
If the next post you make does not have hard evidence to support your stance, it will be locked.
If your post has responses which are off-topic or unrelated, they will be ignored.

Thank you.

 

I'm not even going to water down my report by responding to that ridiculous shit here, expect a post in your feedback thread soon. Your bias and ineptitude is honestly embarrassing.

I'm requesting another sensible moderator to handle this case. In every single other case of a loan scam, the evidence I have provided would have been more than enough: The offending party acknowledged the existence of the loan, there was more than enough time to pay it, no effort made by the offending party to repay, and he deleted me from Skype. Stop looking up my ass and look at the evidence. Jon has to restore the database, and in case you haven't realized, he's a bit busy at the moment. This is a non-factor for the issuance of a ban because this only specifically defines the amount, not the existence of the scam in the first place.

 

I'm not aware of people's personal lives, no.

All you've provided is a couple quotes, some hearsay, and no hard evidence to back your claims.

Feedback is always welcome. Locked.