People Banned for Scamming should NOT be able to come back in good standing!

Lets take @Buyacc as a great example here, a person that was in good standing on this site for quite a while. He has donated $ to this site, and accumulate vouches due to his status.

https://www.sythe.org/threads/buyacc-requesting-a-pardon-for-ban-evading

Now I'm sure Buyacc will be off Sythe for a while, lets hope the longer the better. My question is, do we really want to allow people like this to come back with ALL of their vouches and donations intact?

Personally - I think there needs to be a longer standing penalty. They misused the trust the community has placed in them by scamming (yes this only applies to scamming). They should not be able to rejoin this community in the same standing in which they left.

If you are banned for scamming, or for past scams, I suggest that you have your vouch thread wiped as well as your donation reduced to $5.

Yes this is going to be a pain in the ass to enforce

However I do believe there is a problem with the system now, and there needs to be a fix. People should not be allowed to lose their credibility, and then start again where they left off.

I do not expect this to pass. Too many scammers on Sythe for this ever to pass a popular vote.

Please if your reason for not supporting this is that it is too hard to enforce, but u do agree with the premise of this suggestion, suggest an alternative.

 

Once pardoned all sins are wiped away. It’s a clean slate. Sometimes we will get burnt and sometimes they stay on good course for the rest of their sythe career. It’s a risk but one worth taking

 

This would have a fairly large impact on the few users that pardon and pay back. Threads like this: https://www.sythe.org/posts/30825714/ wouldn't have anywhere close to the same amount and it would just promote more ban evading. No support.

 

The crux of my argument really doesnt surround anything they do in their future Sythe career, really only the standing they have on Sythe when they come back. Not quite sure what the "risk" is you are referring 2, I think they should be allowed back. I don't think they should be allowed back with the $100,000+ summation of vouches they accumulated before scamming / or while evading from scamming.

If anything this rule would ensure that people who are trusted AF dont go becoming scamming douchebags, or if they are a scamming POS then they pay back their scams and pardon before becoming a trusted member of Sythe.

 

I will say the only thing that coming back doesn’t change any trades that happened in the past therefore credit should still be given because those transactions were legitimate.

 

Pardons = Clean slate

I will always stand by that regardless of the offence.

 

As I said on another thread, what make it right to lose what I EARNED in the past due to my actions in the past as well, I myself at least have changed, my scam 6 fucking dollars later was 6-7 years ago now. Take away my work in 2018 for a 2012 offense, no thank you. No support. Bite this remark apart john cause I know you will.

 

In practicality this is not a viable, nor feasible solution for a platform such as Sythe.org.

If people's intentions are to scam, then that's going to happen regardless. We aren't here to police every individual, nor constantly intervene in the market.

Also, most of what you suggested can't be applied as a blanket rule. It's far too complicated, tedious and ultimately pointless to even create different categories for different threshold of scams (time lapsed, value of scam (inflation would need to be factored as well), type of scam, validity of the report, etc etc etc)), not to mention the abundant waste of staff time it would be to ensure everything is adhered to.

Also, aside the clear cut issues with this suggestion, Sythe.org cannot afford to push users away, or risk losing users over increased barriers to entry, and far more strict and redundant rules tbh. If this was perhaps 2007/2011, where the website could dictate everything due to the sheer number of users flocking to this website, this may have been possible to an extent.

TLDR: not the right platform and no infrastructure in place for this to be viable in the slightest.

 

You may as well reduce everyones vouches and donations. Why is it more likely since becoming pardoned that they will scam than any of these people with high donations and vouches?

I personally don't think it is more likely, which kinda defeats the whole premise of the reason to consider doing this.

Tbh I think it's actually less likely, if someone is so invested into their account that they want to get it pardoned, it shows loyalty to the community, vs looking at real scammers, they tend to not care what happens to their accounts as they will just evade some more and keep on scammin.

 

I do agree with the Idea of wiping vouches.

 

i would agree with either vouch wipe or a clear symbol next to his name that would mean user was banned for scamming before

 

I do not support this suggestion and completely agree with @SellerMan

I would even go so far as to offer to ease the DNT process in an attempt to get more people un-DNT'ed as soon as possible so that they can re-integrate into Sythe.org. The process right now is way too strict for the honest forum members that have done almost nothing wrong.

 

A large portion of the staff (past and present) would never have been able to be promoted if pardoned scammers had permanent bad rep.

 

Well said.

I am neutral on this, because I am always open to change. Regardless of the solutions, they're a very hard median to this topic. We could provide a large penalty, and as others said then you're going to open the doors to more ban evading, less pardons, and more chaos overall.

At the end of the day, it works out sometimes, and others it does not. We have a very strong team, and pardoning is not exactly easy. We do our best on evaluating each user based on their current / past offences and do our best on judging to allow them back to the community.

 

Im agree its best idea ever.

 

Support, but don't agree on donations being changed, as at the end of the day, they still did support the site one way or another.

Being a donator proves nothing on Sythe, and alot of vouches are worthless. Some gold sites even offer free extra gold if you leave a vouch... they are thrown around so much that many are worthless. They are supposed to be given by satisfied customers, only if they feel necessary. (17 vouches of 1M each is the same as 1 vouch of 17M) you know what I mean?

But yeah, this pardon shit is the biggest shite i've heard in my life. Scammers should stay banned. Who's to say they wont do it again at an even higher rate / amount in the future? Personally believe they only offer pardons on Sythe to get atleast a little something back to victims...

Would I trust someone if I knew they were pardoned previously? Hell no.

My suggestion: Give them a new rank which says "Pardoned" or something along these lines to make people cautious.

 

I support this, scammers are scammers, and most of the time they will do it for a 2nd time aswell.
Everyone can donate $100 and scam for way more if they get the chance.
For BuyAcc as example, he just got what he deserves and should stay dnt a long time. Scam + toxic

 

No support. The reasons have already been stated before in this thread:

Clean slate
Undoable/too much work
Doesnt work

 

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