Palestine or Israel?

[blazinfasstt]

You forget the part where, after receiving a tiny portion of the house, the original owners gather their friends and start attacking the newcomers, who are outnumbered but somehow manage to conquer the entire house, and then give a good third of their land for the original owners to live in.

how can you say this is good?

and you forgot the part where Israel got the town mayor(usa) to agree with everything they asked and shoot down anything that could hurt them.

 

[Templar]

Note that Palestinian residents blatantly refused the partition plan and actually directly attacked Israel It is entirely their own fault they lost so much land. The partition plan did not go through in the end, so that the Jews actually had a smaller amount of land to begin with. The vast majority of this land (the white area on the stage 1 map) was purchased by the Keren Kayemet from the Arabs in the first place. It reminds me of selling someone an RS account, and trying to recover it.

Also, the vast majority of the land south of where it says Israel on the map, is all desert and not useful for anything.

You are being fooled by the media, Your trying to say that the Palestinians should sweet talk after the Israeli's had completely destroyed Gaza..? They threw many bombs and used weapons that are banned worldwide by the U.N. And after all that you want them not to attack? Your pretty stupid if you say yes.

Also, Regarding you living with them when you lived in the Israeli territory. Your making up lies. Palestinians are not allowed to go inside the Israeli territory, However I went there because I have an American passport and and a Visa to go inside Israel.

 

[malakadang]

malakadang made a comparison to a person who comes and buys your house.

to him, israel rightfully exists because they "bought the house"

I want to give an opposing comparison.

what if
a) you temporarily allowed another family to live in your house while theirs was burning down
b) the family finds their home completely destroyed after and really likes your home.
c) the family asks the town counsel to give you rightful ownership of a portion of the house.
d) you, the original owners, try to force them out but are unable because they are being helped by other people.
e) your house officially becomes two separate estates, with you owning some and the family that you helped owning another portion.

does that family really have a right to that portion of your home?

No, they don't.

I wasn't aware of the circumstances regarding this debacle, as I did say in the IRC before I made the comparison. Laws often get in the way of what is reasonable, and what is unreasonable. What happened here seems to be very unreasonable. However, it obeys the law 100%. It's a tough call.

From this alone, my emotions tell me that the the land should be given back to their original owners, or, they should make efforts to co-inhabit harmoniously.

But, when applying reason, my land is my land. It does not matter what circumstances lead to the accrual of my land, it is still my land as at. Unfortunately, the mitigating circumstances in this argument as you've just stated make it very weak.


It's a tough call.

 

[Tanksta 0wnz]

Bumpz

 

[k0 priest k0]

Palestine.

 

[Noam]

You are being fooled by the media, Your trying to say that the Palestinians should sweet talk after the Israeli's had completely destroyed Gaza..? They threw many bombs and used weapons that are banned worldwide by the U.N. And after all that you want them not to attack? Your pretty stupid if you say yes.

Also, Regarding you living with them when you lived in the Israeli territory. Your making up lies. Palestinians are not allowed to go inside the Israeli territory, However I went there because I have an American passport and and a Visa to go inside Israel.

Why lies? If you wish, I could provide you with proof that I am currently located in Israel. Most likely an IP address.
I know they can't go into Israeli territory, but you forget that Jerusalem is on the very edge of the palestinian areas. I have both an american and an israeli passport, so I can venture into palestinian territories as I wish, and, having participated in an interfaith programs to promote peace in the area, I actually have met several Palestinian people and know them well.

While I have never been inside Gaza, Israel did not destroy Gaza any more than the US destroyed Iraq and Iran. Civilian casualties are an inevitable part of wars inside cities. However, there was good reasoning for the attack. Imagine 60 missiles landed in your neighborhood every day, for several years. If that happened to the US, imagine the consequences.

What non-UN approved weapons were used? White Phosophorus is approved as a smokescreen, and while several soldiers have used it against regulations, the army never had the intent to deploy WP in an illegal manner.

Either way, People who live in Gaza are not severly lacking in Food, water, or many other things. Gaza is known to be infested with tunnels to egypt, which means that smuggling is abundant, and Israeli aid is more than enough to supply people in gaza with plenty of food, water, and clothing. Read This. The worst problems in the area are, quite simply, that Hamas is a terror organization.

 

[Templar]

Why lies? If you wish, I could provide you with proof that I am currently located in Israel. Most likely an IP address.
I know they can't go into Israeli territory, but you forget that Jerusalem is on the very edge of the palestinian areas. I have both an american and an israeli passport, so I can venture into palestinian territories as I wish, and, having participated in an interfaith programs to promote peace in the area, I actually have met several Palestinian people and know them well.

While I have never been inside Gaza, Israel did not destroy Gaza any more than the US destroyed Iraq and Iran. Civilian casualties are an inevitable part of wars inside cities. However, there was good reasoning for the attack. Imagine 60 missiles landed in your neighborhood every day, for several years. If that happened to the US, imagine the consequences.

What non-UN approved weapons were used? White Phosophorus is approved as a smokescreen, and while several soldiers have used it against regulations, the army never had the intent to deploy WP in an illegal manner.

Either way, People who live in Gaza are not severly lacking in Food, water, or many other things. Gaza is known to be infested with tunnels to egypt, which means that smuggling is abundant, and Israeli aid is more than enough to supply people in gaza with plenty of food, water, and clothing. Read This. The worst problems in the area are, quite simply, that Hamas is a terror organization.

For months Gaza has been under one of the worst sieges in modern history, deprived of all basic necessities. Only till later on, It was allowed by the Israeli's to allow a Human's needs to go inside the Gaza strip after hundreds of people died and thousands have suffered from Injuries and diseases.

And for your Information, Jerusalem is in fact inside and the Jews consider their Capital of Israel.

Jerusalem (Hebrew: יְרוּשָׁלַיִם‎‎ (audio) (help·info), Yerushaláyim, ISO 259-3 Yrušalaym, "Abode of Peace"; Arabic: القُدس (audio) (help·info), al-Quds [al-Sharif], "The Holy Sanctuary")[ii] is the capital of Israel, though not internationally recognized as such

Source; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem

 

[-------owned-------]

Your wrong, Palestine and Jordan were one country with one flag. However, Jordan became a different independent country later on. It was only until 1948 that 'Israel' occupied the Palestinian lands. I'd like to also add that Israel was never a country until the U.K got sick of the Jews and wanted them to leave as they were primarily in Europe. The U.K made Israel.

The Palestinian lands were never occupied because Palestine never existed - it was the British mandate of Palestine, won by the alliance after the First World War. Israel's existance is legitimate, Palestine's is not. Gtfo.

 

[Templar]

The Palestinian lands were never occupied because Palestine never existed - it was the British mandate of Palestine, won by the alliance after the First World War. Israel's existance is legitimate, Palestine's is not. Gtfo.

Your just making up lies and your living them.Palestine was always an Independent until 1948 when Israel took over, This is a fact that is known by everyone. Only reason that Israel is existing is because of the United State's supports that include; Money, Weaponry, and Support.

 

[ytrewq]

Your just making up lies and your living them.Palestine was always an Independent until 1948 when Israel took over, This is a fact that is known by everyone. Only reason that Israel is existing is because of the United State's supports that include; Money, Weaponry, and Support.

By this you mean the only reason Israel wasn't wiped of the face of the earth "is because of the United State's supports that include; Money, Weaponry, and Support."?

And traditionally Palestine was a region, not a nation (I might be wrong, feel free to find a source to refute me on this).

The boundaries of the region have changed throughout history, and were first defined in modern times by the Franco-British boundary agreement (1920) and the Transjordan memorandum during the British Mandate for Palestine. Today, the region comprises the country of Israel and the Palestinian territories.

 

[JohnK]

Moved to Gen. Discussion.

 

[Templar]

By this you mean the only reason Israel wasn't wiped of the face of the earth "is because of the United State's supports that include; Money, Weaponry, and Support."?

Yes. Ever since 1948 Israel has received over 170 Billion USD of Direct U.S Aid. And i'm pretty sure you can figure out where the money went.

And traditionally Palestine was a region, not a nation (I might be wrong, feel free to find a source to refute me on this).

Your bringing facts that are not related, Sure the United Kingdom went inside the country and maybe ruled for a bit, But after that they left.If your going to relate to facts like that, Then the Muslims have the right to take over Spain again since the Muslims ruled Spain in 1492, Correct?