Official Middleman Application Process

That's a fair point about video and other gp merch's, though I still feel it's a bit easy for mods. But that's just me being jelly, it has nothing to do with how the reqs should be changed.

 

Lol, I think mods getting OMM should still have the same req's as everyone else.
Obviously the prove to be trustworthy to a point if they have a staff position .

 

The value of the trade is the amount held by the mm. If you hold the paypal money and the gold, then that would count

 

10 $50-100
10 100-200
10 200-350
3 $350-$499
2 $500+

I think thats how the app should look.

 

I really think that a more difficult application would be a deterrent for people to try and go for OMM. Let's be honest, the app isn't especially easy as it is now, AND we have a voting system in the staff lounge. If someone's done a shitty job of their app, they won't get past the vote anyway. We don't wanna scare people off.

 

well 2-3 year's ago on sythe when istarted my OMM application it was extremely hard to get big trade's due to trade limit's in game being active so no one could sell gold like they can today in huge lumps for usd.

The biggest trades back then was p hats + in game rsgp for say 200 usd a red p hat etc.

Now 200-1billion trades happen alot more often and you see people flying through the OMM application like the amount of 200+ usd trades i've done since free trade came back is ridiculosly easy

my app took 2 years to do people do it in 2 months now

 

Keep it @ 25 trades, thats already a big enough PITA proof wise as it is.

 

This. As I stated in the private MM forum, the application requirements are only a problem when the staff start receiving applications from users that they don't know enough about to vote on.

I think raising the requirements by any significant amount would be a huge mistake.

 

Usually, if a user has been around long enough to gather enough proofs to complete an OMM app, we've had some time to judge them and make decisions. If we don't know them well enough, we just judge them purely on the application.

I agree that raising the requirements would be a mistake.

 

Its not like if you meet that requirement you're automatically in. Thus the need to quantitatively rank people does not have to be updated.

 

After reading through the posts, I'll scale down my idea a little more, but I still feel that the current requirements are too easy. I personally finished my application in a couple weeks. As others have stated, The OMM application should be something you work for and something you earn. Not something that can be completed in a couple weeks time.


Maybe something along the lines of this.

5 >$50
10 $50-100
10 100-200
5 200-300
3 $300+

 

You know that if someone isn't worthy, they won't get past the vote anyway whatever the requirements are.

 

I think you shouldn't forget that without the "OMM" rank, people are basically nothing. You were the one who told me the trick; donate $200 and then scam like $500. Basically meaning that you must either be a 'legend' in the community, or must be staff member of some sort, or must be $500 donator. I doubt there are people willing to pay $500 just for their OMM rank, especially now that there are a lot of OMMs.

Just an example; I'm $5 donator yet there are people not trusting me middlemanning $2.50. I mean... come on.

 

This is what I was trying to get at in my post.

 

I would love to see a requirement of 50-100+ non middlemanning vouches required. This would demonstrate that the potential OMM has the market skills needed in order to act and react to unusual trading scenarios and would demonstrate an adequate knowledge of the blackmarket in general.

 

Not a fan of this update since my application is hard as it is, but hey shit happens. Anyway thought i would give my input on this.

Considering we need staff approval to move on, the app is not the only part so these numbers I believe are a little high.

Maybe we should have something like this.

5 >$50
5 $50-100
10 100-200
3 200-300
2 $300+

That brings it to a total of 25 trades. Let me know your opinions guys.

 

N4n0, this suggestion is very reminiscent of hahanerd's recently denied suggestion.
25 MMs at the current level are more than enough to prove whether someone is trustworthy, and those that aren't deemed trustworthy will be denied by the upper staff.

If you were going to vote on making this change, ONLY THE NON-OMM UPPER STAFF MEMBERS SHOULD BE THE ONES VOTING, as this suggestion is clearly in the self interest of the current OMM team financially.

Also, if the system is changed, should the OMM team also be changed? In the past, when the OMM system was changed, all the current OMMs were demoted as they were considered to not have gone through a thorough process. By making this change, you are assuming all OMMs have not gone through a thorough process and therefore should be demoted and have to apply via your "better", "more secure" application process.

Also, as I've seen everyone is throwing around a self interested modification, I'll throw my own in. If your reason is changing the process because of free trade, which I assume it is, then all applications that have done the majority of their trades under the old system should be able to do the old application (I did 18/25 before free trade, over last summer).

Please give your reasoning for this suggestion.

I do not support.

 

I feel if you raise the bar up that high, requiring 3 $300 trades, along with 5 $200-$300, many people wouldn't be able to finish the OMM application.

I don't know if it's maybe because I'm not the most trusted person on the site, but it seems like if someone's got a 600M+ trade they generally work it between themselves (Like someone selling gold to a GP Merch) or go for an OMM.

Like said above, if the requirements stay the same, it is still possible to deny the person OMM if they truly don't deserve it, and I feel it should just stick to that along with possibly one or two $300 trades, and the same for the $200-$300 because 8 in total between $200-$300 and $300+ seems a bit much.

 

I would have to agree with this, with all the trades I've MMed I could of got OMM by now. I just haven't cared to be OMM, because there's not enough time to be it and I'm good as for today.

Totally support and hopefully when I'm ready to apply and start this is already done.

 

A quick glance of the Accepted OMM Applications cross checked with the Announcements, there have only been 4 new OMM's instated in the past 5 months (Pokemoners, N4n0, Video, RsProd). On the other end of the spectrum, there were only 2 denied [new] OMM Applications (Dorianking, Sneaky82), and 3 more retries denied (3x Fatality)

So in the past 5 months, there were only 5 New OMM Apps (3 Accepted, 2 Denied) and 4 Ten trade retry OMM Apps (1 Accepted, 3 Denied). Also, in the past 6 months, 2 (Feren, Viet, & Possibly a third in Louis) OMM's have been banned.

I highly doubt a regular non-staff user would be asked to Middleman a trade $350/700m in value, let alone 3 of them, since most trades of that value are monitored by OMM's and Mods. I myself would not even remotely consider using someone who's not Global Mod+ or OMM to MM a trade that substantial (Well, maybe Video/Viou, but they're one in a million, and Video is now an OMM.)

Also, there's a staff vote which is put to a majority vote for all OMM's, so if you don't think that person is a viable candidate, you're probably in good company. 5 new applicants in the past 5 months is a pretty minimal number if you look at the amount of people Middlemanning, and upping the requirements would make things much much harder.