NoCap - Unfortunate Situation

Hello, this is @NoCap posting to appeal an unfortunate situation that occurred on the 13th Nov. This has resulted in me being banned for an assumption of an attempted scam. I have been away from home since this incident occurred so I have not been able to say my piece on what really has happened in this situation but I would really appreciate if you take the time to understand my point of view on the events that occurred.

Looking upon it I am willing to take responsibility for what could be deemed as "poor trading practice" based upon my sloppiness when conducting this trade, but in all truthfulness it was an honest mistake which I rectified by taking a $200 loss and paying out customer for my error, in no way whatsoever would I attempt to scam one of my customers and no malicious intent was ever involved.

I started on Sythe a few months ago and have managed to indulge myself into various marketplaces, but I am still learning and absorbing information with everyday I continue to trade, so I apologise if I am still not 100% on point when it comes to trading yet.

Lead up events that occured:

I was approached by a customer (@Jerrzay) to sell 07GP for BTC on discord, we agreed to an amount of 233M, a confirmation PM was sent, and the trade was completed successfully as seen here: Screenshot - 493de922569ac9d3b096c3a1d531bd3f - Gyazo

Less than 5 minutes after the exchange, he had messaged me again telling me he had been scammed for the GP I had just sold him by @Voyager , (who had recently been banned for scamming) using a rent-a-staker service: Screenshot - e84fb6ec3c8fce34d77615df26f66c87 - Gyazo

I tried to advise him on the right people to rent from, and this is when he asked to purchase another 233M from me and asked if I had an account he could stake on, as I didn't I told him I would message a friend to rent him an account and I would sell him the GP: Screenshot - 9fcf14f41a5f56265d7f1c0923fc15a9 - Gyazo

I proceeded to message my friend to ask him if he had an account available to rent so my customer could stake the GP he was about to purchase: Screenshot - f3f140ddf73691927d88c880e504b883 - Gyazo


Main Issue

The issue occurred when I sent the customer the BTC address for the second purchase of 233M, as I was trying to juggle various trades at once. I had quickly flipped over to my blockchain wallet, copied my address and pasted it to the customer a character short, stupidly trying to use my memory I typed in the end letter as being 'N' when it was infact 'M'.

It took me all of 2 minutes to realise this, and I went to the chat and edited the address to make it correct, at this point I had no idea he had already sent the payment to the initial address, as I noticed no indication he had actually sent the payment yet, thus me thinking he would see the edited address and send accordingly to the correction I made. I also need to stress the fact that during the first trade, his payment did not come through for 5-10 minutes after he said he sent the payment.

These logs show him saying "Send, Pfffffff" then proceeding to ask me who he would be renting from, along with asking me if we have to wait for a confirmation, judging by this I really thought he hadn't event sent the BTC yet and asked him "you sent already?" as nothing had popped up in my wallet yet and I knew the payment would most likely be delayed.


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After Events

Now the reason I did not pay him out for sending to the wrong BTC address initially is because I had assumed that he had sent the BTC after me correcting my address and not prior, this is because the first thing he said to me was "Inb4wrongaddress", which confirmed to me he had taken account of the correction and was pretending to have sent it to the first address even after acknowledging it.
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It was just weird to me how he claimed he had no idea I had corrected the address when his first response was "Inb4wrongaddress" so by the nature of true liability, I didn't think he liability fell onto me in that case of him having sent to the incorrect address after already knowledge of me changing it, however mistakes happen and I am not claiming the customer knowingly set this up, but for me to have attempted to scam him is preposterous.


About 30 minutes later, the customer had messaged me saying he had now noticed the changed BTC address and claimed that I had changed it after him sending the payment, which I was never aware of, here are the logs of this conversation: Screenshot - 7080198a4738d1f843273d016c96e4aa - Gyazo Screenshot - d2e83854cbfe47e2287f602fa8e17aea - Gyazo Screenshot - 72ad1594874f4fcf111f656da6dac79d - Gyazo Screenshot - 48e3767bc82c30b3ecc43d40f1234c6c - Gyazo as you can see from these screenshots, the customer was confused on what I was trying to explain to him in terms of I thought he had sent the payment after me correcting my address, as @Searchy confirmed in his report on me, he is dutch, and even from a suppliers point of view it was hard to infer what he was saying to me to resolve the situation quicker.

In my head: >User sent BTC after acknowledging corrected address = his liability.
>User sent BTC before acknowledging corrected address = my liability.

These thoughts are completely normal if you're looking at it through a business prospective, but due to the nature of this trade, nothing was explicitly clear due to both myself and the customer, there is nobody to push 100% blame on in this situation.

After about 5 minutes of conversation, he finally confirmed to me that he had sent the BTC before acknowledging I had corrected my address, which means liability would fall onto me for providing it wrong, even though I was still skeptical I decided to pay out anyways to ensure the customer was happy and nothing would be out of place, as it's only $190 or so at the end of the day.

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After the situation was resolved with the buyer, we spoke about it and came to a mutual understanding of where the confusion was and what was misinterpreted, I explained how I thought the liability was on him for sending the BTC after me correcting my address, and he explained how he was just freaked out and rushing too much after being scammed by @Voyager 10 minutes prior, which is more than enough reason for errors to have occurred, and which is why I'll reiterate that there were faults on both parties: Screenshot - 2a962931ea9ddf8a23d992f3e6c7e319 - Gyazo


Relevant Points

No disrespect to @Searchy for reporting what he thought was a sketchy transaction, however a few facts need to be cleared up before proceeding.

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1. Please do not claim responsibility for me paying out my customer as you never directly messaged me yourself, I was the one who approached you if you remember correctly, which was only done as you announced I was supposedly "scam quitting". The situation was resolved without your input and you had no influence on my decision, it was done as liability fell onto me after customer confirmation.

2. Please do not claim I paid out my customer in "panic", even after speaking to the customer again, I had to get him to confirm he had indeed sent the BTC prior to me correcting my address and not after. I would have not paid the customer if he had confirmed he sent to the wrong BTC address knowing it was incorrect. An accurate assumption of me paying in "panic" would be if I were to pay instantly with no conversation, which unfortunately never happened.

As far as @Searchy is concerned, you have done the right thing in reporting a user you believe to have scammed, however you took no time to look at the proper events that took place and your report was purposefully conducted using unnecessary vocabulary to make me out to seem like a bad person when I'm really not.


I have continued to conduct my trades where I can via mobile while being absent from a computer the last few days, my intentions are not to "scam quit", and even if a decision is to go against me nothing in this nature will change:


https://gyazo.com/3b6b556dcda54ddd0d1f243800ccd5f7
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In conclusion I agree that there were poor practices were used while conducting this trade, by myself and the customer, but ultimately the liability falls on me as the supplier and if I had never sent the wrong address in the first place it would have been avoided, but to say that I attempted to scam my customer and only paid out due to "panic" are huge overstatements of what actually happened, I had already resolved the issue with the customer prior to any confrontation or reports and the report was in my opinion a petty one.

Hopefully this post has cleared up a lot of things, thank you for taking the time to read it and I hope a resolution can be sorted out.