No PM = No compensation.

I do everything I possibly can to prevent it, if it happens, so be it. I will do my best to refund. I do plently of big trades, but I don't want to cover my tail with something I'm responsible for.

 

You seem to have quite an attitude with this suggestion, no offense, but it's more than just trying to help video out. While your efforts might be noble, this will never work. I just don't get why you're pushing so hard for a suggestion that can easily be abused.

Regardless of how it is implement, and how many people actually follow it, you're still making it allowable to scam someone, and get away with it, as long as they didn't ask for a PM. This is completely unacceptable in my eyes.

Secondly, regarding the entire MSN hacking thing. If you're actually smart when you make your email address/account, along with your windows live ID, I can guarantee you it's possible to never be hacked. Locked out of your account temporarily? Yes, but never hacked.

Nate, you make it sound like hacking MSNs is just a mass problem, and that there's hundreds of users faking pictures trying to get free money, but it isn't, and there aren't. You're pushing a suggestion that would affect everyone greatly, just so you can fix a small, perhaps even nonexistent problem, that affects only a handful of people.

 

Do not support. New members would get scammed by hackers and they would not know to request a PM. It is YOUR OWN responsibility to keep your account secure. If you can not you need to pay back those scammed, even if they are dumb.

 

That's why this idea should come into effect. If the OMM was hacked he'd have to PM you and if he failed in sending the PM then that just saved your ass.
If they ignore it then that's there fault.
I personally don't require PMs because all of my trades are smaller than $20 but if they ask for one I'll gladly send one their way.

Edit: To all of the people who said yahoo/msn isn't secure, then what the hell is?
I've never had problems with EITHER.

 

Oh, so now we're just using the old "if you're stupid enough to get scammed, it's your own fault logic"... then why do we even have rules again scamming?

The people who support this suggestion are extremely narrow minded, and they don't see in all the ways that this would affect things.

And to answer your question, they're perfectly safe. If you're smart when creating your account, you'll be just fine.

 

No I'm not using that logic but for now I guess I will.
How do people fall for phishers?
How do people get lured?
It's their own fault if they got scammed. Either they weren't secure enough with the trader/didn't use an OMM or they got fooled pretty hard.
They should always require a PM either way, because if they get too attached to a regular trader and STOP requesting PMs then anything can happen against the person trading.
If they can't do a simple PM confirming that it's them then that's their fault.
And no I don't support this idea entirely I'm just arguing for it.

 

If this rule was implemented sythe will be as bad as paypal; endless protection for one party and virtually none for the other.

 

The PMing should be made for both partys, the buyer and seller not just the seller. (if this rule was passed)
I hate Paypal as well, as you made a valid point

 

I have no clue where some of these people get random thoughts that trusted sellers such as myself, video etc etc want to scam, or that we "set it up"

Just look at how utterly stupid that suggestion is. We make more being legit then we could ever pull off in a single scamming day. Not saying it hasnt happened very very few times in sythe history though.

 

Or maybe they could just keep their MSNs secure? Now there's a grand idea, isn't it...

 

Maybe its Microsofts/Googles problem and not ours, hmm maybe. Exact same thing with all of the XBL account jackings. You cant blame account owners 100%

 

Trusted sellers have scammed heaps in the past.

 

Yeah and Id hope now with the profits were all making it doesnt happen again.

 

And with this suggested rule, it would bring out the worst in people. People do what they can get away with.

 

Support.
I have no input to say, as everything you said is correct.

Edit.
Everytime I pm someone, I give my msn.
This rule would be abused, as said above. And id hate to pm everyone I trade, effort

 

I dont really think you can get trusted with any more amounts then what people like me, firez, and video have already had access to.

 

You can do trusting things all day, then scam once in a while claiming a hack. No one will be suspicious and you can continue on happily.

 

I pm them part of the current conversation, my msn email, and my rs name as well on the first PM.

I am now going to start requiring a 2nd pm when the rs trade window is up asking them to state the trade and who in rs they are trading with.

Any other suggestions

 

You all are missing the point. The point is - What if said person's MSN gets hacked and him and an accomplice decide to set something up where the said person scammed a large amount.

Would it really be the person who's msn hacked responsibility to pay it back?

This is going to be a discussion that goes on for ever and ever. When we sign up to sythe, we sign up with the intention that there is a great possibility we will be scammed and taken advantage of. At any moment a known member will scam 100's of dollars whether it's to permanently get off this site, or for some other reason.

There's no way to protect against this. I think the real only solution would be to do trades over skype or something. There would be no proof that you indeed got hacked unless the person has time logs. But even then you can claim you got hacked overnight and didn't notice until the next morning which could be after you find out your banned on sythe for scamming.

Omm's should be made to sign a legally bonding contract that forces them to agree to take responsibility if they are not secure'd enough as giddy has been advocating. You always have to take into consideration of "what if" a trusted member did scam, and until there's a foolproof way to determine whether or not this is true, then they must be forced to take responsibility because if they do not know a 100% secure way to protect whatever they use to trade, then they should not be trading.

 

Perhaps an official PM format could be developped just to ensure no one is tricked into PM'ing the wrong Sythe account. Basically should have:

- an excerpt of the convo
- Your MSN Address
- Other Party's MSN Address
- Outline of trade details

And yes, I fully support this idea. Anyone who has their MSN hacked right now can just be framed until no end. However, this should not be a blanket rule on Sythe. We should reserve the right to ban a user if we deem them responsible, even without a PM. Scams need to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. Having generalized rules allows perpetrators to exploit loopholes in the system, as we can see here. If a PM is required to get people banned, then at the same time they could scam risk-free if a PM is not given.