Create more clarity about the hierarchy of creditors on Sythe

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Create more clarity about the hierarchy of creditors on Sythe
  1. Unread #1 - May 18, 2025 at 3:09 PM
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    Create more clarity about the hierarchy of creditors on Sythe

    Describe the problem: There is uncertainty about the underlying rules for resolving disputes when multiple parties (including the community as a whole through the community repayment system) have a claim

    Two examples:

    1. Scammed by StockAllDay
      In the report above, multiple concurrent creditors all wanted the same usage right. In short, Zora eventually ruled “first come, first served.” Some users found this to be unfair and argued that all creditors should share the right proportionally (and therefore have a claim against the party granting the usage right), while others defended the ruling and said the oldest claim should prevail. Regardless of which position is “correct,” the community doesn’t know what the underlying basis is of such a ruling.

      (p.s. Zora's approach makes sense and aligns with the way many other systems handle these disputes.)

    2. (This entire proposal was actually put together just so I’d have an excuse to post the Neres report again hehe)
      Neres not paying for lewd camshow
      At the very bottom of the edits, it says the camgirl was paid back by a third party to whom Neres owed money. My question is: why does the camgirl have a stronger claim than the community repayment system? And does it matter that the camgirl is banned?
    Explain the change:
    Create a simple guideline that outlines the order of priority for concurrent claims. It doesn’t need to cover every detail; just a clear ranked list so decisions aren’t seen as random.

    Things like “In situation X, the older claim takes precedence, unless the creditor in question is banned.”

    We can start by going over a few example cases

    Explain why this change will fix the problem:
    I think that if the basic principles behind these situations/decisions are documented somewhere, rulings will feel less arbitrary and be more readily accepted by the community.

    It will also make it easier for staff to reach decisions, since they’ll have clear rules to apply in these (often complex) situations.

    Thank you for reading and enjoy re-reading the Neres thread :D
     
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  3. Unread #2 - May 18, 2025 at 6:29 PM
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    Create more clarity about the hierarchy of creditors on Sythe

    There's a few incorrect statements in this suggestion.


    This was not the case. StockallDay uploaded the Kluch's banner himself, making the trade he conducted with Kluch legitimate as he followed through with the trade. The other users were scammed due to the fact that their banners were not uploaded by StockallDay, despite them having paid for the spot.


    Vul (Camgirl in the report) was not banned until after this report so the debt from this report was owed to Vul, and not the community repayment fund. The refund was also "anti-scammed" from Neres when he won a giveaway in another user's discord server. Instead of paying Neres the giveaway money, they anti-scammed it and refunded Vul.


    I'm not entirely sure how you linked these reports together for this suggestion other than possibly a misunderstanding of the rulings, but I do not see a need for a prioritized list for repayments. If a user is scammed, they are either repaid by the user that scammed them, or they can apply for a CRF roll if they meet the requirements.

    Feel free to correct me as well if I am misunderstanding your suggestion.
     
  5. Unread #3 - May 19, 2025 at 1:57 AM
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    Create more clarity about the hierarchy of creditors on Sythe

    Precisely because the true deciding factor was “has the asset actually been transferred?” rather than order of requests, it shows how easy it is to misread a ruling when you don’t know the underlying criteria. If we had a guideline that listed “valid upload trumps unfulfilled promise,” it'd create a lot more clarity.


    • Yes, the camgirl wasn’t banned until after the report and debt, and the funds were recovered via an anti-scam giveaway reversal. Those two facts determined why her claim outranked the community fund.
    • Exactly those kinds of details—“date of ban relative to report” and “was the money reclaimed by an anti-scam measure?”—could be codified in a simple priority list. Right now, staff weigh them ad hoc; a written rulebook would make the process transparent and consistent.
     
  7. Unread #4 - May 21, 2025 at 7:33 AM
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    Create more clarity about the hierarchy of creditors on Sythe

    The two provided examples were pretty straightforward and don't bring a valid enough of a reason to make the market more complex. I will need to see some better reasoning and better examples of this being a problem before I can support.
     
  9. Unread #5 - May 22, 2025 at 5:15 AM
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