n4n0's Feedback

Time passes, heals fresh wounds. Had problems with you before, enough that I pushed you to do something drastic along with others caught in the mix. Now, It's all good. Everyone does dumb shit time to time, myself included. N4N0's alright.

Not anything to flame about, but if I had to make a suggestion to you from a member here it would be to just post more input every once in awhile on more threads. Its cool to see admins interested in others threads.

 

You're an egotist, still.
You give your girlfriend special treatment, still.
You're letting personal feelings cloud your judgement, still.

Work on these things, STILL.

Oh and realize someone making fun of your GF in SF doesnt warrant a ban. Especially when she starts and talks more shit than anyone in SF (that you havent banned).

 

Most active admin. Keep it up.

 

Don't have any personal issues with N4N0 and think he has contributed a hell of a lot to this site. However,

I do agree with this. You Spam Forum banned me for 10k years, so perm banned me and for what? I looked at what post you deleted and you deleted a post where BB4 asked where everyone had gone. I mentioned Trin's involvement and how everyone got pissed at her because of her 'trolling', and that post was deleted and I was banned.

Not warranted and still feel personal feeling play a massive part. In that post I wasn't even abusive, only said facts, but special treatment was still given and I got banned for no reason.

Also it was in the Spam Forum. Wish you could just leave her behind and go back to being who you used to be.

 

"The e-whore who sucked N4N0's dick....."

That's simply "explaining her involvement"?

Yeah, bullshit.

 

In the spam forum. May I also mention. Can you please just add to the rules any mention of her in a negative light constitutes a form of a ban, after all I'm not the only one who has had a similar punishment in a forum where you can pretty much say what you want.

And of course it's not factual, It's merely an exaduration of how she gets all her special treatment. The fact you take something like that seriously is almost comical and shows how your personal thoughts, feeling and opinions weigh in so much in all the bans you've given out recently.

Also this is a feedback thread. I've said that recently you have let yourself get too personal about things in a section which isn't even supposed to be taken seriously. That's my feedback. If you can't take what people say (especially when multiple people have said it), then this thread is completely pointless.

 

There's a difference between trolling and going out of your way to insult not only a member, but my girlfriend, by calling them "An ewhore who sucked my my dick" plus more.

The post was a personal attack and I won't stand for it. Troll, talk shit, I don't care. Take it to a personal level, and you'll be removed. This goes for you and everyone else. I had this same discussion with nodnarbusn and he agreed he was out of line, and apologized. I decided to unban him per his apology and per our discussion via PM. You on the other hand, decide you'd rather just take this out on me via my feedback thread. So be it, take it out on me if you wish. I can dish it back just as easily as you can.

 

Calling a girl in the spam forum an ewhore..seems like a perfectly reasonable reason to ban someone.... *complete sarcasm*

How can she talk shit in the SF and expect no one to respond, its a bit silly.

 

This is exactly what I was about to say.

And as you say, you give as good as you get. If she is rude to me or my friends, why should I just sit there and take it on the chin? Furthermore, Chloecat was called an e-whore just about every day in the Spam Forum. No one does anything about that?

I felt you haven't done something right, and have given you feedback on it. It's personal agenda based, something staff shouldn't be taking into account when giving out a punishment. Amethyst was told not to be involved in Jake Kastle's pardon, as he wanted to not support as he hates the guy. Personal opinions shouldn't be mixed. Trin old enough to fight her own battles N4N0, she doesn't need an Admin to throw his powers everywhere in order to solve something.

Spam Forum isn't even supposed to be taken seriously. You stated the reason was because it was a personal attack on your girlfriend. If I had said something like this to ANY other regular member, fuck all would have happened and as a matter of a fact, no one would have cared in the slightest. You just admitted to giving her special treatment for it. That's exactly one of the flaws I stated in your feedback thread. In addition, the only rules stated are no trolling staff members. Sure I mentioned your name but my post was not an attack on you, was it? Therefore I can't find a rule I have broken, which was why I tried to dispute.

I also just criticized it because I posted a dispute, which was overlooked and deleted. I would assume you were involved in this. If I stood a fair trial for my actions and I didn't receive the support from other staff over the matter, so be it. But the fact that any attempt to have my voice heard gets completely squashed, led me to come to here, the only way I can actually get any response from you or any other staff member over my situation, for that matter.

Thanks for reading. I promise you N4N0, I have no personal issues over the matter. I'm only in the section to have fun and generally take the piss out of my friends. I do nothing more nothing less. I was shit talking, as I do in 90% of my posts if you look at them, I think it's very obvious that it's just trash talking.

 

You both are missing the point. Calling me an "e-whore" is only the tip of the iceberg because you were also talking about the Admin. (According to Sythe himself, the no shit taken policy is in effect.) Also, he didn't admit to giving me special treatment. He admitted that his actions were inappropriate in the event. As for you having no personal issues, then you should have not used any derogatory descriptions about either party in your comments, especially when an Admin is of concern. If you are really taking the "no personal issue" side of things then redirect the person asking about what happened to the Admin himself instead of stirring up old shit to cause drama in the SF. For the most part everyone, including myself, are trying to let bygones be bygones. Him enforcing the "no shit taken" policy is within his right, and it's not to be mistaken as him being power abusive. Lastly, Roary handled all of the bans since N4N0 didn't want to be the major influence on the decision making process of those who got banned. It was a professional decision he made and it was the right one.

Clearly, you took NOTHING from what he said here.
http://www.sythe.org/12992716-post1.html

 

In response to this, the Spam Forum was never a place where you could say whatever you wanted about Administrators of the site without consequences. Richard (Sythe) used to ban people all the time for personal attacks. Yes, you have freedom of speech and all that but this is a private site, administrators like N4N0 are humans are our always going to look out for their friends. If you were an Admin you would be doing the same thing, I know I would be. Life has special treatment happening everywhere you look, I think it takes a lot of courage admit that emotions affected his judgment. I will admit Trin probably gets treated differently but it’s not because N4N0 dating her or whatever, it because he knows her in real life. He can trust her not to do stupid shit like scam. I can guarantee that gender plays no role in this. Also, his response to this situation has been more than professional. He passing off judgment to stop the unfair treatment bitchaton but he doesn’t have to Richard won’t put up with this shit (from past experience) why should N4N0 have too?

He does not, truthfully speaking I think ya’ll owe parties involved an apology. I know this is the internet but trolling is a waste of time, N4N0 offers his services and hour and hours of personal time to improve Sythe experience for others. Does he get paid for being staff? No, he does not. Should he be award for his time and effort yes, which is why he is ranked. If you think you can tell your bosses co-workers that his wife is a ***** then good luck keeping your job and avoiding lawsuits. Sythe isn’t much different the forum works on respect and bad mouthing doesn’t get you anywhere. N4N0 accepts constructive comments and will admit he makes mistakes but in this case I don’t think he made any mistakes. Put yourself in his shoes, and tell me you wouldn’t do anything differently. I know I wouldn’t.

Sorry you have to put up with shit like this N4N0 and Trin. Honestly, I don’t think they are surprised by the trolling I am sure they expect it as it comes with the position. But they are probably surprised by the level to which people seem to care about a stupid rank or name change. If you wanted one you could of talken to N4N0 and providen worthy of a drunken rank on Tiny chat. N4N0, take a few days off buddy if you need it but please don’t leave us

 

Uhh..

OT: Are you still on invisible mode?

 

I feel as though you would do better in banning Trin from the spam forum instead of whoever is involved in this (as an alternative mode of protection), or rather suggest that she use the Sand Box or the Donor Lounge instead. The subtext on the subforum says "Warning: Many rules do not apply in this forum. If you post here you will probably be viciously attacked".

If she can clearly not handle the Spam Forum participants, especially without attempting to provoke them, it is not the place for her.

Forum banning users who have broken no rules, especially when a conflict of intrest is present, is unprofessional and unacceptable.

That's all I have to say on the subject.

 

I'm surprised you feel that way, being ex-staff myself I know the difference between a joke and down right disrespect. I can take a joke but the idea you think Trin she be banned from the spam forum baffles me. The policy is pretty clear cut already, yes it says ""Warning: Many rules do not apply in this forum. If you post here you will probably be viciously attacked". But I'm pretty sure sythe meant every word of what he said about personal attacks on staff.

Source:http://www.sythe.org/spam-forum/1553363-zero-shit-taking-policy-now-force.html This policy been in effect since 03-25-2013, 01:18 AM for those thinking it was just made to fit N4N0.

 

Okay firstly, my posts are supposed to be my thoughts and feedback for N4N0. I've appreciated what he has done for the site and acknowledged that, and have gone on to make the points which PERSONALLY, have been his downfalls; the purpose of these threads.

Now breaking down your argument:

My post was trash talking at YOU. Not N4N0. Looking back at his previous feedback thread I gave him very, very good feedback, because before you arrived in the whole scenario, he was my favorite staff member. My post was directed at YOU. As for the 'No Shit Taking Policy' (I can't actually read it as I'm SF banned so am going on memory), it was introduced at a time when you were not active to see what was happening in the Spam Forum. An Admin or Mod would post and would get abused/trolled extensively, to a point where something DID need to be done. My post was not aimed at N4N0, nor did I bring his integrity into it in that post, only in this feedback section. You say he doesn't give or hasn't admitted to giving you special treatment, but look at this quote:

That's the only point I was making there, which he has basically admitted to. He acted differently and more defensively because you are his girlfriend. You are NOT part of the 'No Shit Taking Policy', as you are not a member of staff. If you were then my actions were out of line and I would be apologizing right now, not composing an essay in defense of my views.

1. My comment was not aimed at or derogatory in any way towards N4N0, not breaking any rules.
2. If you honestly expect people to be sincere and polite in the Spam Forum, then you are completely deluded. I don't think I need to bother finding a number of spiteful posts from the Spam Forum to use in evidence of my argument as they are everywhere. I call my best friends on here horrible derogatory things, that's personal, it's just whether the user understands the section it has been posted in and there is no real intent there.

Fair enough. However the post I was Spam Forum banned for was just telling a user who had no idea what had happened, what happened.

I had a month ban given to me by Roary and I said that's fine, I deserve it, and took it on the chin. No complaints. I have moaned about my most recent Spam Forum ban, which was given to me by N4N0, not Roary. He can enforce the 'No Shit Taking Policy', sure, and I encourage him to do so... when it's actually relevant. Once again my post was at you, not him. Nothing in my post was derogatory about N4N0 himself, therefore I have not done anything to bring the policy into action.

Don't think you realize, I was banned for a month. I have not seen this post until now. So no, I haven't taken anything from it as I couldn't view it before. He apologized for his actions, as did I when I got my ban for a month. Seems about fair there. N4N0 said Nodasurburn was unbanned as he apologized, however I won't as in THIS instance I don't feel my ban was just. My dispute was overlooked and deleted, and I had no way to get a fair trial.

As stated in my reply to Trin, my posts were not an attack on N4N0 or any staff member for that matter. I understand that in doing so it warrants a ban. I never blamed N4N0, I blamed Trin for her conduct, therefore I didn't break any rules.

Just want to refer you to this quote:

Therefore his reasoning was that he reacted more as it was personal agenda based and he was her girlfriend. He also publicly apologized for some of his special treatment in the run up to the events which took place, which I very much appreciate.

Agreed. It has been handled well by him and I hadn't been able to read his public apology until just now, so I can appreciate that fully. However I have not questioned his integrity in the post I was banned for, it was aimed at Trin, and until it's added to the rules that trash talking at Trin is bannable, I fail to believe I am in the wrong. Alternatively just give her staff, so the policy covers her. She pretty much has whatever power she needs when she wants it anyways.

Never said he needs to. My critisizm of him was fuelled by being (What I deemed to be) unfairly banned, and having my dispute ignored and deleted. I did not give him negative feedback after my months ban, it was just. I have only given it after the latest instance as I felt it was unjust and the incorrect way of dealing with the situation. If he really got offended by my post (even though it wasn't aimed at him) or told me from now on I can't trash talk people or more notably Trin in the Spam Forum, he could have PM'd me. I would have had my warning from a superior and if I did something out of ine, then it's a warranted ban. But it wasn't.

This made me laugh a bit.
1. It's the internet.
2. More notably, the spam forum and it was trash talking
3. The fact that admins are referred to as 'bosses' and friends on the site as 'co-workers' made me laugh. I'm not paid to be here, nor am I working, nor would I refer either in those respective lights.

Not planning on going anywhere in all honestly. The main purpose of this was to try to shed my view that I believe my Spam Forum was was not warranted, and this is almost acting like the dispute that was never looked at.

Not sure if we are talking about the same thing still? I'm talking about what I was Spam Forum banned for, not previous incidents or his conduct there. I've commented that the way my ban was given to me, the fact that my dispute didn't even get a fair trial, or a review of any sort, and that it was all fueled on a personal agenda, is what I was giving him feedback for.

He won't leave and I'm not calling for his head. Just can't see justification behind my Spam Forum ban when no rules were broken.




From now on please can this remain as feedback for N4N0? I would still much appreciate a response on my last 2 posts N4N0, but from you, preferably... after all this is between us and I have explained myself as much as possible in this thread and how I can not see what I am guilty of doing.

Many thanks for reading.

 

Glad, I could make you laugh. I fully agree this was blown way out of proportion. I'm trying to play a neutral party. I quoted the policy for you above, the issue was it was an indirect personal attack. There is no rule technically written for it, it's a grey area in my eyes. Previously, users knew better than to test the shot callers on the site. AKA Richard.

I actually never head into the Spam Forum, but if Trin was egging people on she deserves that ban for a month. Although, it won't really make a different since she sits right next to N4N0 computer he can just let her see it if he wants and we would never know. The same applies to if you if you have a friend on sythe.org in real life. But for rules sake, she taking the ban. I feel like this had tons of miss communication all around and everyone just wants this over.

N4n0, may have given special treatment in my eyes. But in my eyes it's his prerogative if something happens to Trin it directly affects him because pretty sure they share stuff. N4n0 and Trin have showed maturity as have you in my eyes after this events have passed. Just remember there is a difference between disputing via a pm and causing unnecessary staff drama. Trust me I would know, I started plenty of staff drama in my years.

 

And this is why I don't participate in this sythe orgy. Every mod and admin including Nano have all been helpful to me. I come here when I want to buy/sell things or other services. Other than that I refuse to participate in all this drama. Guys, you'll have enough drama going on in real life, why waste all this effort on a virtual black-market forum?
Stop expecting moderators/admins who are only human to always be right. They make mistakes too. All this is way blown out of proportion.

 

My post was still not actually an indirect attack on N4N0 at all. it was Trin who I was aiming it at. I wasn't saying N4N0 did anything wrong, still don't believe it as I felt it was her having N4N0 round her finger. I have apologized to N4N0 directly for my original actions and participation, and have respect for him. I wasn't intending on relighting a fire.

Also Trin will not get banned for anything, even if she has antagonized something. I reported a post of her which was BLATANT gore and was sickening, and it was of course deleted. It's these instances which I was just trying to highlight.

Lastly, I did try to get in touch with Roary via Skype and also PM, both of which were ignored. When you are constantly ignored, I resorted to the only way I hoped I could get a response out of a senior staff member, preferably N4N0 of course.

 

At the end of the day I'd really like to see this whole N4N0 & Trin thing go away get out of our minds/discussions. I really don't know a whole lot about who got banned and what the reasons were nor do I really care to get into other people's business.

Members should just walk away with the way things are now and with time all wounds heal and hopefully everyone can make their amends at some point.

Great job for doing your best to stay professional throughout this ordeal N4N0 and I appreciate you taking the time to write an apology over the whole thing.

For the record from what I read: http://www.sythe.org/spam-forum/1553363-zero-shit-taking-policy-now-force.html

Active spam forum members have been treading on thin water for quite some time now and it was only a matter of time before someone put their foot down considering how long that thread has been around.

Nevertheless, appreciate your efforts on the forum N4N0.

 

Honestly, the people hating on Trin seem childish right now.

I'll admit in the beginning N4n0 may have given her a few special privileges which is understandable to an extent. However after the whole spam forum banning thing i haven't seen N4n0 do shit in defending Trin against anyone who talks shit to her in the SF or take anything personally.

It's been over a month get over it. Afterall this is N4n0's feedback thread not Trins feedback thread.