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I read the thread and I'm familir with the advertising principles at least, but I don't see where it says how we can expand into other markets - it says we could have, should have and need to, but the only way he says we can draw users in is advertising and that isn't enough

 

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1408275

 

My two cents on this whole issue..

This is the suggestion thread, so are you suggesting that Admins should play a more active role in the community by engaging with the general community more DIRECTLY--not indirectly? Or host contests or events? Idk.

This suggestion is like suggesting for the sun to rise tomorrow at dawn. VB4 is going to happen. It's inevitable. Richard himself has confirmed this on multiple occasions.

Tom8toes/Tomahtoes. Although it would be nice, its basically the same thing and I just feel like we have bigger issues to worry about at the moment.

Support this 100%.

Again, there is no harm in advertising, but advertising successfully costs money. A LOT...

Support.

And I also just want to say that I told everyone that your last thread was pretty much a waste of time because it was just turning into rage wars/ spam fests/ and patronizing-mania. x339, you did nothing wrong. I suggested that your last thread should be closed or cleaned up a little bit (delete all the off topic shit), but of course, what I said got censored out. One day later it was decided that it was a waste of time and getting off topic and so Firez closed it. I encourage all mods to just delete the OBVIOUS SHIT THAT NEEDS TO GO when they see it to help reduce the spam and going towards off-topic discussions.

 

They already have everything they need in place for advertising, though why they don't utilize it is anyones guess. 5% (yes i made up that number) of sythe members are rank whores, Create a rank for 100 Referrals and you have yourself a free advertising system, that sure will be abused but will also work.

 

Probably more like 50%, but the idea is sound

 

More than that even, but I don't mind the idea. While I think quantity is always preferable over quality, without the immediate scope I found when I joined, I never would have stayed.

I think a more fleshed-out referral system would benefit us, and couldn't possibly hurt in any way.

 

I agree with all of your points, x339. I think if Sythe.org wanted to expand in terms of more markets, more of the other suggestions would have to come into place.. Especially the feedback.

Also, something to address about the feedback system.. How would that go? I'd love to see it, but would vouches just be transferred over? Would negative feedback just instantly be removed by request? Would it go by a number + percentage or just a number? Also, there's alot of marketers on Sythe who just have a general idea of how many vouches they have (h1j, kevin, r2, just un dude, etc).. This would get tricky when moving over. I hate the fact that they advertise vouch count without a definite number (mainly r2). The feedback system would really change that, which I really like the idea of. When I said number + percentage, would it go like Powerbot's or more like PA/Ebay's?

 

I still remember when R2 put 15,000 vouches in his thread title, but I... still prefer this system for it's simplicity. My philosophy is still to go based on what the vouches are for, not how many. Sometimes I'm forced to put the number of vouches in my thread, but I usually under-estimate the amount rather than overdoing it.

Remember, it's the craigslist of virtual goods, not the eBay.

 

Hmm here's what I'll say

As far as admins being more active in the community I don't really understand what this would achieve other than having a bunch of nuthugging paparazzi like users who just follow and post after them hoping to get a reply. They seem active enough for me without randomly posting in threads.

As far as VB4 being implemented I think that Sythe should have more people behind the scenes, obviously he is on vacation, and Matthew is there, but AFAIK only Me (long ago), Matthew and Sythe have actually modified the boards code.

There is already a trading feedback system in place, are you talking more about a rep system? I don't see a point to putting a rep system in as it will only be flooded with x is a scammer without proof and then mods have to police the shit out of that and infract people for doing that and it just makes a lot more work than is needed imo.

Bump timer is a good idea imo, not difficult to implement given how posting is done, I don't remember exactly what all the functions are in vB, but I could probably write one myself. However as far as other mods go, the point of this website is for trading so all these other mods don't really form more of a community if this is what you are looking for. Cleaning up the reputation of the Website does more that way.

Again advertising is difficult because it doesn't really help form more of a community, its expensive to get really targeted audiences and general advertising doesn't really get you anywhere.

Expanding trading platforms is difficult because to have a good platform you need a good userbase in whatever platform you are changing into. This website was based on Sythe's Runescape tools so Runescape gold is a great currency, but there is a big lacking in the userbases for other platforms.

 

PB is failed in the fact that negative/neutral feedback doesn't do anything.. It just instantly gets removed.

 

1. As long as they're getting the job done, I'm fine with their current level of activity. It's not like they're completely isolated from the community, but I wouldn't mind if they posted around more.

2. This is happening.

3. I actually like the feedback system, and I wouldn't mind if it was implemented.

4. The bump timer is a great idea. And, I'm fine with getting any other plugin that's useful.

5. Do you have any ideas, keep in mind, advertising is generally pretty expensive..

6. Easier said than done, I know it'd increase the variety of users coming our way, but how do you suggest we go about doing this?

 

Govind decided to close my thread in hopes it would fall to the wayside, and so for now I will just give this thread some attention.

This is just a general response to everyone as most people keep bringing up the same points:

1. By more admin activity I don't mean just spamming everywhere, I mean being more involved, and working for the progression of sythe, etc. etc., please just read my thread here http://ww2a.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1431515

2. I've heard "It's coming really soon" for the past 4-5 months

3. I realize we already have a feedback system (vouches), but a genuine structured feedback plugin would be much more reliable and organized.

4. The bump timer was just an example, and while I would support the addition of a bump timer, the suggestion was made more so in the hopes of removing the stigma that we shouldn't try new plugins and add-ons.

5. Yes I have ideas, infact I made an entire thread about it.. http://ww2a.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1408275

6. By working with what I have suggested we can achieve this.

 

So I am not going to let all that effort die out because people got bored with it. I brought up some very valid points, and defended them as well. I had a lot of support, and even Verts agreed with me on some of the things there. I also brought up so very good suggestions to Govind, and he basically just ignored them. I don't care if people got bored with it, I am not just going to let it die.

 

So why not keep it going here? There's no reason for 2 threads on the same topic. Your feedback thread was a suggestion as it had a solution to the problem. I think you should reorganize your thread/ list with the information from the other thread and put it under each topic you brought up with your reasoning and solution.

 

That's what my last thread was, and then I got complaints that I needed just a simple list, so here it is. This is what I am focusing on for now.

 

Easier said than done. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with the vouch system. Converting to a feedback system would have more negatives then positives.

• Transferring vouches to feedback.
• Mods would need to do more work (negative feedback appeals)

 

Me too.

 

In order to move to an itrader or similar system everyone on the whole site would have to restart with zero vouches/feedback, not gonna bet money on it that most traders would go for that.

 

I kind of see the vouch system as a temporary patch sort of thing, because the vouch system is messy. The large traders are at the point where they just guess how many vouches they have and it is difficult to go through a thread with 200 vouches and find the good ones and then go through the entire thread to see if there is any negative feedback, but I do understand that it would be neigh close to impossible to switch over without making the large traders angry - because I mean people get pissed if a bump rule gets changed let alone an invaluable system like our vouch system.

The vB update has been long overdue. We were told everything was finished but tweaks 3 or so months ago.