I cannot believe people will get so clouded with these forums they no longer concider other people opinions and take on some egocentric view, there is one person at least i think would acknowledge what i am saying and back down, and that is deacon frost, you seem educated and we got off on the wrong foot, its been a leap for me but now it is your turn to accept my half and call a truce, because i view this as going old, and something can be learned from every argument, as long as it comes to an end, and i think without me doing this there will be no gain from this at all because it will continue to the end of time.