Mod Favoritism and Unfair Pardons.

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Mod Favoritism and Unfair Pardons.
  1. Unread #1 - Jul 28, 2019 at 3:13 PM
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    Mod Favoritism and Unfair Pardons.

    As most of you might know, I've been banned/dnt for over 7 months now. This all occurred after I tried to sell my RSN that was very sentimental to me. It was my first time ever selling a RSN, and I was unaware of the bots that sit on names until they are sniped. I blamed the buyer for sniping the name because it was the only logical thing that I could think of. In my mind, the buyer was the only person who knew what name I had, and when I'd be selling it. Because of this mentality, I had refused to give the buyer the (60m) refund that night and decided to close the scam report. The right thing for me to do would've been to refund the buyer as soon as it happened, and then tried to figure out how the name was taken. Unfortunately, that's not what I did, and I refunded the buyer 24 hours later once I had the chance to really process what had occurred.

    It has now been 7 months, and 3 pardon's later. With each pardon getting denied, I'm also getting the same answer as to why.
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    As you can see, @Pendulum told me that I should try to re-integrate into the community again. Although impossible at the time, (3 month ban) I did my best.
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    Once again, my pardon was denied. Once again, for the same reasoning, but this time it's also because I've donated over $300+ dollars to this website.

    I will say it again, I posted those threads about me leaving for PERSONAL reasons. I was a flight student learning to fly, and I needed the time away to focus on flying. I asked for a DNT / Ban on my account because I didn't want the urge to come back on Sythe because I was spending 10+ hours on the website looking for vaders and helping random people.

    If you look at my Sythe history, you will see that I have never scammed anyone, and I have never evaded. The only reason I have continued to stay on this website has been because I've loved the community and I've loved helping people. I feel like I am being unjustly treated, and the mods really don't care. Anyone can see that the way the name sale was handled was misunderstood by myself. I had to learn the hard way that names get sniped and I would be responsible. I've said I'm sorry multiple times, and I've explained my reasoning multiple times.

    @Pendulum mentioned that they have to consider if my "leaving" mindset is still there. How are you going to consider my mindset if you don't know me, and don't talk to me? The way these pardons are being handled are absolutely horrific. I'm not saying that because I'm not getting pardoned, I'm saying that because it's the truth. You're also using my donor rank against me, (which I can understand if I did something horrible). I'll say it again, and again, but anyone who actually knows me knows that I have the best interest for those around me. I'm not going to sit here and make a case because I'm moving past all of this and I wanted to clear my name. I feel sorry for this community because of the way mods are handling things at their own rules. There needs to be a set of rules regarding each aspect of this website.

    I feel like I've stated my case, and that's all that I have to say. I will not be pardoning again, and I will not be returning to a website that doesn't value my time , nor my money. (apparently if you donate to them, they'll use it against you) *BEWARE*.

    Thanks for the lessons and friendships I've gained throughout my journey on here. I don't like to brag or hype myself up, but I've began working as a pilot and it's the best thing to ever happen to me.

    I wish you all the best of luck, and I hope that the mods will stop using favoritism and their own bullshit thought processes against people they don't know.

    You've lost a good one Sythe, Farewell.
     
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  3. Unread #2 - Jul 28, 2019 at 3:47 PM
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    I don't see any favoritism here. Every pardon is going to be somewhat biased that's why all mods have a say in them imo. If you have something against @Pendulum take it up with em.
     
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  5. Unread #3 - Jul 28, 2019 at 3:52 PM
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    Mod Favoritism and Unfair Pardons.

    I have nothing against anyone, and I've talked to Pendulum in the past. Thanks for your input
     
  7. Unread #4 - Jul 28, 2019 at 4:25 PM
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    idk about reintegrating into the community people come back after long stretches odd requirement lol
     
  9. Unread #5 - Jul 29, 2019 at 5:29 AM
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  11. Unread #6 - Jul 29, 2019 at 5:47 AM
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    Mod Favoritism and Unfair Pardons.

    The only issue, well more-so, potential lack of clarity/transparency I see here is that, nowhere do I see it stated that users need to make an active effort to reintegrate with the community while DNT'ed, or it may negatively impact their pardon if they don't. I understand the reasoning for it being used as a factor of consideration, but as aforementioned, make it evident.

    It should be made evident to whichever DNT user is pardoning, and or stated within the pardon template sticky. It's unfair to assume that this should be assumed knowledge. Playing devils advocate here, I can also see why users may not want to reintegrate with the community while DNT'ed, as they may be embarrassed to have said DNT, or regret their actions that lead to said DNT, and ultimately aim to reintegrate upon being pardoned.

    In regards to what the OP said - if a user has other priorities that trump Sythe activity, then that should be taken into consideration as well.
     
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    @Time Crunch where or how is the favoritism occurring? I mostly see an issue with pardon in the main post but don't see actual favoritism to keep you dnt'd?
     
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    Mod Favoritism and Unfair Pardons.

    You just sound like a typical spoilt/privileged brat crying because things didn't turn out how you wanted it to.

    This really isn't the place for someone so emotionally fragile. How many times have you quit?

    Goodluck out there, deuces.
     
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  17. Unread #9 - Jul 29, 2019 at 9:53 AM
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    Easy fix - when pardoned and allowed to reintegrate into the community, remove all donor status's and miniranks. Have it said that you will officially start a "Fresh".
     
  19. Unread #10 - Jul 29, 2019 at 9:56 AM
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    This would just disincentive people to pay off debts and rejoin. Ban evading would be far more appealing.
     
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  21. Unread #11 - Jul 29, 2019 at 9:59 AM
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    Let's be real they do that anyway. Stuff them, if you scam, tough shit. You lose your rank and miniranks. IF you choose to pardon to obtain your vouches back, cool, if not, vade like the other 800 guests currently lurking.
     
  23. Unread #12 - Jul 29, 2019 at 10:52 AM
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    Maybe treating the admin with some respect and a honest approach would help, although I see where your coming from the mods are there to prevent people from being scammed we may not agree with every decision they make but it's the best interest of the sythe community to comply and strive to improve, the donor status being used against you I completely disagree with and actually makes me less want to donate but having said that I wouldn't scam.

    The trivial part is you where banned over such a silly argument that could of been prevented had you been informed fully of the risks when transferring names.
     
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    Mod Favoritism and Unfair Pardons.

    Honestly, what you did was very wrong and you should've been aware of the market that you are in: Especially when trading RSN's, as they have a major added risk.

    Now, i understand the frustration when it comes to being pardonned, but you (as a Sythe regular) should understand the importance of minimizing the risk to other Sythe users by being strict when handling pardons.

    I wouldn't hurry the process of wanting to be pardonned as it's just putting a bad taste in the mouth of the mod team if you constantly moan about a situation like this while in the end it is your fault. Stay active and involved and try again in a few months time, and try to maybe find other things to do around the site that don't involve market activity?
     
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    All admins have been treated with respect.
     
  29. Unread #15 - Jul 30, 2019 at 2:34 PM
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    Good to see you back man <3
     
  31. Unread #16 - Jul 30, 2019 at 3:27 PM
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    i do not support.
     
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    First, i'd like to start off with mentioning that I am not the only staff member who voted on your pardon, i'm sure you're aware of this but since it was directed at me I figure I should say this. The entire staff team is alerted when a pardon moves to voting by mention and it includes your original pardon for them to review. To successfully pardon, a user must achieve a minimum of 9 votes and a 60% majority to pass or fail.

    The replies you received from me reflect my voting and suggestions I made for you in your future pardon(s). Its apparent that there is some confusion on my mentioning of donor status and reintegrating in the community so hopefully I can clear that up

    Our duty as staff members when voting on a pardon is to evaluate risk. When a user is pardoning I review several factors, some being:
    • What was the scam and amount
    • Was it cold or hot blooded
    • Was there ban evasion (If so, how recently)
    • How was the victim repaid (Anti scam, force via pardon, own free will then pardon)
    • Are they a donor (Was the amount scammed more or less than their donation)
    • Is this user a threat to the community (Could or will scam again)
    I can only speak for myself, but I am certain that other staff use similar methods of scrutiny. This of course is not everything, but you get the general idea

    In regards to your pardon in particular - The threads you made leading up to what happened do not sit well with myself or other staff members. Going from a mindset where you want to protect the community to despising it is understandably worrisome. You've explained in detail what was going on irl and why some of that was said, but it doesn't just magically erase it. Coupled with the other factors listed above it is reasonable for staff to not feel comfortable with pardoning you

    This is simply not true. We regularly pardon users who have donated to Sythe, we just use this information when evaluating risk

    I suggested that you reintegrate back into the community as I believe its a good way for you to show that you are genuinely interested in returning. This is by no means a requirement in the pardon process and it was simply my suggestion to you when you approached me

    To add to your point about not knowing you. In the event that we personally know someone pardoning, the staff member will recuse themselves from the voting process. There is potential for someone to arrive to conclusions that aren't supported by the pardon presented or give 'the benefit of the doubt' in situations where caution should be exercised. It is better for staff to not know the person involved on a personal level as this gives us opportunity to avoid any biases, which leads to an overall better pardon outcome

    I will not post my vote publicly on this page as respect for you, but you are welcome to message me on Discord if you would like to see a screenshot of it
     
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    @Time Crunch I think you should take the time to love using the forum. I wasn't around when you made the above thread but even I can feel the emotion you clearly felt.

    You seem to strive for recognition my friend but sadly in this world our good deeds are only met by our own soul, the good you do is repaid 20 fold by god in our own bodies, you feel good, euphoric even. Recognition - mod status? I have no idea.

    For me @Pendulum and other volunteers on this site (staff or non staff) who have devoted time to protecting others from potential financial/emotional harm are going to receive great rewards, perhaps not financially, perhaps not even in this life. I hope that brings you some level of comfort and I hope you take it easy and return.
     
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    Thanks for the response @Pendulum . I agree with what you've stated about said threads. I still don't feel like I would classify my actions as a scam. Obviously it was not my intent for a simple name sale to end up like this. I'm sure everyone can see that there was no malicious intent on any of my posts.

    As you can see, sometimes my emotions get the best of me and I jump to conclusions a little to quickly. I feel that my past posts are a part of me, and that will never change. Instead of creating a post to rant about certain situations, I should've made a suggestion post to maybe help change some things. - Lesson learned.

    I don't know what the future entails for me and this website, or whether I will decide to pardon again in the future, but I have enjoyed my time here, so thank you.

    I'm unable to do what I've loved doing on this website because of my DNT, so I'm limited with what I can actually do. Although I still browse the website every now and then to stay somewhat updated. Thanks, appreciate it.
     
  39. Unread #20 - Jul 31, 2019 at 1:56 PM
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    @Pendulum was on point with everything he said. I don't believe I was still staff during your previous pardons, however this would definitely be the biggest issue for me if I was:
    You mentioned this:
    This is partially true. You orginally said you'd be gone and never returning, then edited your thread to gone for a few months here: Not goodbye, see you later. The issue I had from this specific thread is not you saying you'd end up returning after a few months rather than being gone forever, rather the fact that you never left. I'm not saying that to say I wanted you to leave because you were doing a lot, however my point with that is that you change the narrative a lot.

    Fast forward a few weeks later in this thread you never mention any personal reasons, rather complain that this website is "a safe haven for scammers". You said that you spent so much of your free time helping catch vaders and around the community as a whole, then ranted how you didn't get mod or CDT (not sure if I was around/can't remember which you applied for), and complain that staff picking is biased and those who "suck mod dick" in SF get mod (which on a side note isn't true at all because every who gets promoted has put substantial amount of work in to obtain there role - some examples of those non SF users being gladiator, champ, etc etc). All in all you just try to trash the website rather than try to lift it up, and say you're leaving the community for good, again.

    Then you dispute your DNT a week later: Time Crunch's DNT dispute. Also your reply here somewhat worries me: asuh dude.

    All the factors above on top of how you went about the report that resulted in this mess would make me way too uncomfortable in supporting your pardon. I'm not staff so I have no say in any of your pardons, however I have no issue with anything that @Pendulum said. I'm not trying to discourage you from pardoning again in the future by saying this, but these constant narrative/mood changes are beyond sketchy.
     
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