millenium dispute 200$ deposit refund request

[beezmans]

I was hired to work for millenium 200$ deposit was a requirement i paid it he told me id be working on june 1st i informed him on june 3rd id like a refund due to his neglegience in not telling me it was possible my paypal wasnt approved yet... he said it would be verified i then told him this morning im asking for my full refund due to his lack in informing me of all this. i asked him 2x before for a refund.

the first time i asked for a refund he threatened me b/c i refused to sell him my 2b, the second time was b/c i hadnt been working yet and was getting quite frustrated @ him hiding behind bullshit excuses like paypal hasnt approved you[he should have informed me that it could take a week longer for paypal to approve me]

 

[Superfluous]

Spoiler: skype logs

[6/8/15, 11:28:45 PM] beezmans: Hi Superfluous, I'd like to add you as a contact.
[6/8/15, 11:29:34 PM] Superfluous: Superfluous has shared contact details with beezmans.
[6/8/15, 11:29:42 PM] beezmans: hello I don't think you fully understood this dispute
[6/8/15, 11:29:54 PM] beezmans: http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer...enium-dispute-200-deposit-refund-request.html
[6/8/15, 11:30:00 PM] beezmans: he is the one who sets up the paypals
[6/8/15, 11:31:41 PM] Superfluous: so he sets up paypals for you to use?
[6/8/15, 11:31:44 PM] Superfluous: and then what happened
[6/8/15, 11:31:55 PM] beezmans: ill walk you thru real quick
[6/8/15, 11:32:02 PM] beezmans: may 28~ he interviews me
[6/8/15, 11:32:07 PM] beezmans: may 29~ im hired
[6/8/15, 11:32:18 PM] beezmans: may 30~ I pay deposit 200$ he informs me ill be working on june 1st
[6/8/15, 11:32:39 PM] beezmans: june 1st~paypal isn't approved
[6/8/15, 11:32:44 PM] beezmans: june 3rd~ I request a refund
[6/8/15, 11:33:20 PM] Superfluous: so your argument is that you couldnt start working on june 1 like he said
[6/8/15, 11:33:25 PM] Superfluous: since you didnt have the paypal set up?
[6/8/15, 11:33:32 PM] beezmans: that's one of many
[6/8/15, 11:33:36 PM] beezmans: lemme finish the timeline
[6/8/15, 11:33:36 PM] Superfluous: the others being?
[6/8/15, 11:33:39 PM] Superfluous: sure, sorry
[6/8/15, 11:33:52 PM] beezmans: june 5~ I find out I gotta do tons of quest to make my mule"approved"
[6/8/15, 11:34:10 PM] beezmans: june 8th I inform him again [ I still wasn't approved] I want a refund due to the fact I cant do his requirements for a mule + still not being approved
[6/8/15, 11:34:27 PM] beezmans: if I don't do the quest im held accountable for refunding gold that is banned on accounts
[6/8/15, 11:34:33 PM] beezmans: which I told him I never agreed too
[6/8/15, 11:34:57 PM] beezmans: june 8th about 4 hours ago
[6/8/15, 11:35:00 PM] beezmans: I get paypal approval
[6/8/15, 11:35:09 PM] beezmans: after I told him 12 hours beforehand im chargingback/disputing
[6/8/15, 11:35:12 PM] beezmans: in 24 hours
[6/8/15, 11:35:54 PM] beezmans: I feel like him informing me that ill be working on june 1st is enough reason to request a refund
[6/8/15, 11:36:00 PM] beezmans: but there are multiple issues
[6/8/15, 11:36:16 PM] beezmans: if someone hires you @ mcdonalds and tells you be ready @ 4 to work
[6/8/15, 11:36:19 PM] beezmans: then you aren't put on the shift
[6/8/15, 11:36:24 PM] beezmans: you are probably gonna quit
[6/8/15, 11:36:30 PM] beezmans: if its your main source of income
[6/8/15, 11:36:32 PM] Superfluous: and he's said nothing since you told him you're charging back the payment?
[6/8/15, 11:36:36 PM] beezmans: he has
[6/8/15, 11:36:44 PM] beezmans: he informed me my ppal was finally approved
[6/8/15, 11:36:47 PM] beezmans: and then we got in a argument
[6/8/15, 11:36:52 PM] beezmans: and then he "fired" me
[6/8/15, 11:36:58 PM] beezmans: I never worked a minute for him
[6/8/15, 11:37:00 PM] Superfluous: then he should give back the $200 imo
[6/8/15, 11:37:06 PM] beezmans: so I shouldn't be held accountable
[6/8/15, 11:37:08 PM] beezmans: for the 200$
[6/8/15, 11:37:10 PM] Superfluous: ill reopen the thread, sorry about that

added to ban reason. tos dont trump sythe rules/common sense in this case

 

[Unregistered_Millenium]

http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=14754619#post14754619

First off, I said he'd start working when PayPal verified his details, which I expected to be June 1st as I told him. On June 3rd he started thinking he was above employees and lacked the respect and decency to inform me of his other RuneScape related activities which are crucial to dictating his role within the team. After a discussion he cancelled his refund request which you can clearly see here.

http://gyazo.com/728e54f3b4cf36dd8276ba95d918fb9b

To me that could not be made clearer that he didn't want a refund.

I informed him of the time PayPal usually takes, with the 20+ users I've had on my PayPal account none have ever taken as long as his did, I had no idea it would take as long as it did.

Furthermore the Employment agreement(TOS) which he agreed to show clearly a 2 week notice must be provided (which it isn't) and nothing is refundable within the first 2 months unless stated otherwise which was made more than clear before any deal was agreed to because this is a medium-long term working position. I don't see how that isn't common sense when it is clearly stated and the only reason Beezmans is not working now is because he expects special treatment.

 

[beezmans]

http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=14754619#post14754619

First off, I said he'd start working when PayPal verified his details, which I expected to be June 1st as I told him. On June 3rd he started thinking he was above employees and lacked the respect and decency to inform me of his other RuneScape related activities which are crucial to dictating his role within the team. After a discussion he cancelled his refund request which you can clearly see here.

http://gyazo.com/728e54f3b4cf36dd8276ba95d918fb9b

To me that could not be made clearer that he didn't want a refund.

I informed him of the time PayPal usually takes, with the 20+ users I've had on my PayPal account none have ever taken as long as his did, I had no idea it would take as long as it did.

Furthermore the Employment agreement(TOS) which he agreed to show clearly a 2 week notice must be provided (which it isn't) and nothing is refundable within the first 2 months unless stated otherwise which was made more than clear before any deal was agreed to because this is a medium-long term working position. I don't see how that isn't common sense when it is clearly stated and the only reason Beezmans is not working now is because he expects special treatment.

Too add on to this dispute i am no longer working with him so i see no reason for him to hold my deposit but thats beside the point....

He also informed us of 20$/hr average i have been informed by current employees there have been 0 sales in the past 3 days that is absurd and poor ownership on you're part and you should be held accountable for that there is mutiple issues with working for you which have been stated above and why i requested a refund, also about june 1st you never said you expect paypal to be verified by june 1st you said "YOU WILL BE WORKING ON JUNE 1ST" ON JUNE 1ST WHEN I MESSAGED HIM MY PAYPAL WAS NOT VERIFIED HE NEVER INFORMED ME THERE WAS EVER EVEN A SLIGHT CHANCE OF DELAY IN VERIFCATION, i dont expect any special treatment i expect to be treated like a employee.
YOU STATED IN YOU'RE OWN T.O.S AS SHOWN HERE http://gyazo.com/abd9dfe9beb9e4ac7f4d4078ce236132 that work starts june 1st you broke you're own t.o.s which voids any contract i signed

 

[R2Pleasent]

He also informed us of 20$/hr average

$20 / hr average. And he pays $0.2/M RS2007 or $0.03/M RS3. That implies you earn about 10% of overall revenue his site generates, based on gold prices.

For him to pay you $20 / hr average, his company needs to be making $20 * 10 * 24 = $4800 revenue per day. $144,000 revenue per month. There is no way in hell his little gold shop does anywhere near $144,000 revenue per month.

 

[beezmans]

$20 / hr average. And he pays $0.2/M RS2007 or $0.03/M RS3. That implies you earn about 10% of overall revenue his site generates, based on gold prices.

For him to pay you $20 / hr average, his company needs to be making $20 * 10 * 24 = $4800 revenue per day. $144,000 revenue per month. There is no way in hell his little gold shop does anywhere near $144,000 revenue per month.

http://gyazo.com/9012c2dea1c6c2840bb01ee7171da3b4

would like to add this^

and do we agree that he owes me a refund?

 

[Superfluous]

posting these here for now, ill take a look at them a bit later today

[6/11/15, 3:13:05 PM] '' Millenium | RSGP | Private Scripting | Graphics: Here are the majority of the conversations I've had with beezmans, everything with him from my point of view appears to be complaints and arguments, and even in this whole process going back on his own word and trying not to be trustworthy with me, giving me reasons to believe I cannot trust him and most importantly that he cannot work professionally
[6/11/15, 3:13:06 PM] '' Millenium | RSGP | Private Scripting | Graphics: http://gyazo.com/6d5d2496577fc70ab3990c24ebba1c38
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http://gyazo.com/e0496a702da813197541e3b983bd51cb
http://gyazo.com/c2b2476ea334856ad68d704b5c594afc
http://gyazo.com/c946822d15f07afb8895058d97b9cea0
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[R2Pleasent]

Millenium has no right to withhold the deposit. Period.

 

[Dave]

@ R2p and Super, what's going on?

 

[Superfluous]

tos dont trump sythe rules/common sense in this case

Millenium has no right to withhold the deposit. Period.

this is accurate. millenium owes him the refund imo. i'll req added to ban reason

 

[Superfluous]

^^^^^