Man And God.

[Glyder]

Before you read this, please realize that this is MY opinion. Please do not flame me, or harrass me. Thank you.

Man And God.

Ever since we started to know, how to act in life. Man has been there to conquer everything. We pretty much think we are the best, the alpha species, the “alpha and omega”. Now, many people know that we are pretty much the evolved version of primates, right? Well what of that “god”. Who depicts us as being offspring off “Adam and Eve”? The bibles clearly states, and I quote EXACT, that “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep. God’s Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters.” Now, we all know that this should not be true. How could a “god” make all of this, if the earth was formed by a universal reaction millions of years ago? The Big Bang perhaps? And, before this could have ever been possible, what about the dinosaurs? We they here before us or not? Of course they were, we have evidence. And in the bible it tells of how HE made man, but how could he have, it shows man was first, but he was not. Clearly we were here after the dinosaurs left, which was mainly caused by a meteor crashing into earth. The bible also states, that “god” made plants, did he really? No. All of the plants were formed on there own.

Now, I ask this, is there really a god? I know there is not. Everyone, think of it, how could a god be possible? He has never been seen, and never clearly been heard. What of your “miracles”? Are they really miracles? Maybe, but from asking god? Probably not.

Honestly? How? When? There is NO set date is there? No, how do we REALLY know what happened? By science.

I hate to say this, but I really do not think some people have any sense.

I will use this as my example. I have a friend, his name is Tim. His mother is a Christian, a devoted one at that. My friend is her son, Tim. He used to be a Christian, and he too was a devoted one. But one day I asked him. “Is there really a god? Is there any real proof? Do you really believe?” I asked that, and left him to be. The next day, he called me up and said “Michael, you are right.” He went on and on, how I was right, that there is no god. He is the one that mainly pointed out the whole “God made this” After that, we started trying to tell people that it is all a lie.

Now tell me, what is your opinion now? Do you still believe in the nonsense? Think about it and reply please.

 

[PublicityFtF]

Now, I ask this, is there really a god? I know there is not.

I am an Atheist, but I will be the first to say this, "You know neither that there isn't a god, nor that one will/does exist." The best you can do is not have a personal belief in a god, or have a personal belief. To follow the second one, you need to opt into a leap of faith; but, with the first, you do not. Now, I really hate to pull a Sythe, but what you're doing is pulling the ole Negative Proof fallacy: http://safalra.com/philosophy/fallacies/negativeproof/

 

Now tell me, what is your opinion now? Do you still believe in the nonsense? Think about it and reply please.

Most people who frequent this section are atheists.

But what I find curious about your post is the amount of emotional labour you put into the point.

To me it's exactly like any other crazy belief. If a crazy guy ran up to me on the street and proclaimed the existence of invisible alien hamsters inhabiting the brains of all humans and that therefore both I and he were marionettes, I'd say "well that's interesting, where's your proof?" If he then produced a book written by midgets 2000 years ago and said "see, it's written right here. The book says it, so it must be true!" ... then I'd definitely question his mental stability. It's exactly this ridiculous. If you don't believe me then try replace the word god with any made up word or name, and see how much sense religious teachings really make.

"In the beginning flour created the heavens and the earth, blah blah."

 

[Demented_]

I like reading these opinions but there's been like thousands of threads about this. I'm just going to say "everyone has their own belief and have the right to believe in what they want to believe in". I question too but there's no proof that he's real and there's no proof that he's fake, it balances out.

I don't see why there's always one preacher that will always try and convert people from their beliefs.

So much shit goes on now, we don't know what's real and what's not...

 

[h0axxy]

And leaves me to wonder how existence exist and why everything is everything.

 

[PublicityFtF]

And leaves me to wonder how existence exist and why everything is everything.

I think I'm doing it again, but that's the argument from ignorance. ( I think. ) I don't know if you're saying that you have a personal belief in a deity because you don't know how everything got the way it is or if you're saying you don't have a personal belief in a deity but you're still wondering how everything is everything. I don't really think I did the English language a justice with that last sentence, but whatever...


Anyway, here are some links that will give you a *basic* understanding of how existence exists and why everything is everything.

Edit:I'll find another link for the big bang in a sec, this one is wrong.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/

Remember this: The previously links only give you a basic understanding of how the processes work and to gain a much more full knowledge you would need to read more into it.

 

[dam prayer noobs]

1. God is not solely entitled to organized religion. You are saying that if organized religion is wrong then God doesn't exist, this is wrong. It's as if a bunch of groups came up with horrible arguments to prove a thing and therefore saying that that thing doesn't exist because all the arguments for it are wrong. The thing will exist/not exist no matter if we are able to prove or disprove it. This is why even if you know that many organized religions are wrong in their claims, you can't come to the conclusion that a God wouldn't exist simply because they are wrong.

2. You are separating science and religion, which also doesn't work. If there was a God then he would work through the natural occurences of every day life. God is evolution, or you could even say evolution is God. Science is merely observing God at work. I don't agree with Christianity or stories of miracles and how god carved people out of mud. I can see God at work every day in the trees and plants that grow and the people and animals that walk the earth.

Anyway, here are some links that will give you a *basic* understanding of how existence exists and why everything is everything.

http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/bigbang.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/

Remember this: The previously links only give you a basic understanding of how the processes work and to gain a much more full knowledge you would need to read more into it.

This is simply an explanation of how things came to be. Now tell me exactly why all this happened.

 

[PublicityFtF]

2. You are separating science and religion, which also doesn't work. If there was a God then he would work through the natural occurences of every day life. God is evolution, or you could even say evolution is God. Science is merely observing God at work. I don't agree with Christianity or stories of miracles and how god carved people out of mud. I can see God at work every day in the trees and plants that grow and the people and animals that walk the earth.


This is simply an explanation of how things came to be. Now tell me exactly why all this happened.

No, you're completely, 100%, unequivocally, wrong. I've tried to tell this to you before, but you can't seem to get it through your, obviously very thick, skull. Science is ***blind*** - I put asterisks because this is where you usually doze off and insert whatever you please in place of that word - to god(s). god(s) is/are untestable because they're faith based subjects. Saying that - I hope you continue to read - is saying they require no proof, or ambiguous proofs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HXPYO5YFG0
If you can pay attention for a little over 2 minutes.

 

[dam prayer noobs]

No, you're completely, 100%, unequivocally, wrong. I've tried to tell this to you before, but you can't seem to get it through your, obviously very thick, skull. Science is ***blind*** - I put asterisks because this is where you usually doze off and insert whatever you please in place of that word - to god(s). god(s) is/are untestable because they're faith based subjects. Saying that - I hope you continue to read - is saying they require no proof, or ambiguous proofs.

This is where your feeble mind fails me. I view God as a theory. There is color theory, nature theory, the theory of gravity. It is simply an explanation of how things work. You can't prove or disprove a theory, only the individual facts that the theory is based on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HXPYO5YFG0
If you can pay attention for a little over 2 minutes.

Ok, so why did this happen? Why was there a random point in the middle of nowhere that all of a sudden expanded into the universe that we know today and made life possible? Do you ever wonder this or do you just accept this as the theory of life and go around telling people you know why everything exists? I'm pretty sure Christians thought the same thing when they discovered Jesus and the Bible "hey guis dis is h0w teh wurld wuz maed we figurd it owt".

You think you know everything don't you? Being active in meditation and meeting people that are able to access higher levels of consciousness, I can tell you right now that you know almost nothing. But it's ok, I used to be just like you at one point in my life, until I realized that I had no friends and that everyone hated me.

 

[PublicityFtF]

This is where your feeble mind fails me. I view God as a theory. There is color theory, nature theory, the theory of gravity. It is simply an explanation of how things work. You can't prove or disprove a theory, only the individual facts that the theory is based on.



Ok, so why did this happen? Why was there a random point in the middle of nowhere that all of a sudden expanded into the universe that we know today and made life possible? Do you ever wonder this or do you just accept this as the theory of life and go around telling people you know why everything exists? I'm pretty sure Christians thought the same thing when they discovered Jesus and the Bible "hey guis dis is h0w teh wurld wuz maed we figurd it owt".

You think you know everything don't you? Being active in meditation and meeting people that are able to access higher levels of consciousness, I can tell you right now that you know almost nothing. But it's ok, I used to be just like you at one point in my life, until I realized that I had no friends and that everyone hated me.

A theory is a collection of facts concerning an event.

You're making an infinite regress. You can keep asking why this happened, then why this happened, then why this happened.

I don't know everything and I don't claim I do.

 

[dam prayer noobs]

A theory is a collection of facts concerning an event.

theory - the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/theory

A bunch of facts is a bunch of facts, until you relate them to one another and form an explanation of why things occur.

You're making an infinite regress. You can keep asking why this happened, then why this happened, then why this happened.

Yes, I can. What exactly is your point...

I don't know everything, nor do I claim I do.

Anyway, here are some links that will give you a *basic* understanding of how existence exists and why everything is everything.

What I'm trying to say is that we are extremely limited to what we can know and experience with our senses. There is so much out there that we don't know, that it would be arrogant to say "this is why everything is everything". Although some people who dedicate their lives to meditation can bridge this gap to infinite consciousness and get a small taste of the beyond.

 

[Glyder]

Now, I went through this, and read all of the post. Thanks for the critique.

I mainly typed this out of, well, a personal wanting, so to speak.

I respect everyones points, and views. But I stand my my view, that no god has ever, or will ever exist.

 

[dam prayer noobs]

Ever since we started to know, how to act in life. Man has been there to conquer everything. We pretty much think we are the best, the alpha species, the “alpha and omega”. Now, many people know that we are pretty much the evolved version of primates, right? Well what of that “god”. Who depicts us as being offspring off “Adam and Eve”? The bibles clearly states, and I quote EXACT, that “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep. God’s Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters.” Now, we all know that this should not be true. How could a “god” make all of this, if the earth was formed by a universal reaction millions of years ago? The Big Bang perhaps? And, before this could have ever been possible, what about the dinosaurs? We they here before us or not? Of course they were, we have evidence. And in the bible it tells of how HE made man, but how could he have, it shows man was first, but he was not. Clearly we were here after the dinosaurs left, which was mainly caused by a meteor crashing into earth. The bible also states, that “god” made plants, did he really? No. All of the plants were formed on there own.

Have you read any religious works other than the Bible?

Now, I ask this, is there really a god? I know there is not. Everyone, think of it, how could a god be possible?

Just because you can't think of a possible way doesn't mean there aren't any possible ways.

He has never been seen, and never clearly been heard.

What you are doing is believing that the universe revolves around you; if it can't be seen or sensed by your senses, then it doesn't exist. This is on the same level as people believing that god made the world and everything for us and that we are the most important thing in the world, it's just arrogant.

I will use this as my example. I have a friend, his name is Tim. His mother is a Christian, a devoted one at that. My friend is her son, Tim. He used to be a Christian, and he too was a devoted one. But one day I asked him. “Is there really a god? Is there any real proof? Do you really believe?” I asked that, and left him to be. The next day, he called me up and said “Michael, you are right.” He went on and on, how I was right, that there is no god. He is the one that mainly pointed out the whole “God made this” After that, we started trying to tell people that it is all a lie.

Now tell me, what is your opinion now? Do you still believe in the nonsense? Think about it and reply please.

There are more religions than Christianity you know... You don't even have to conform to one religion to be religious, you can create your own interpretation of reality and god and follow that.

The term God does not belong to any religion, it has existed ever since man was man. The idea of God existed even before Christianity. If you disprove Christianity then you can't say that you disproved God, you have to say that you disproved the Christian idea of God.

You honestly should go out and read up about other religions and philosophies like buddhism, deism, pantheism, etc.

 

[Glyder]

I was referering to Christianity, sorry I should have put that. But please, do not tell me what to do. Just suggest.

 

Before you read this, please realize that this is MY opinion. Please do not flame me, or harrass me. Thank you.



Now, I ask this, is there really a god? I know there is not. .

I kind of stopped reading there. You can't prove or disprove the existence of god.

 

[dam prayer noobs]

I was referering to Christianity, sorry I should have put that. But please, do not tell me what to do. Just suggest.

If you take the Bible literally then there has to be something mentally wrong with you. And don't be so sensitive over the internet, you'll only waste your energy.

 

[JackedUPx]

Before you read this, please realize that this is MY opinion. Please do not flame me, or harrass me. Thank you.

Man And God.

Ever since we started to know, how to act in life. Man has been there to conquer everything. We pretty much think we are the best, the alpha species, the “alpha and omega”. Now, many people know that we are pretty much the evolved version of primates, right? Well what of that “god”. Who depicts us as being offspring off “Adam and Eve”? The bibles clearly states, and I quote EXACT, that “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep. God’s Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters.” Now, we all know that this should not be true. How could a “god” make all of this, if the earth was formed by a universal reaction millions of years ago? The Big Bang perhaps? And, before this could have ever been possible, what about the dinosaurs? We they here before us or not? Of course they were, we have evidence. And in the bible it tells of how HE made man, but how could he have, it shows man was first, but he was not. Clearly we were here after the dinosaurs left, which was mainly caused by a meteor crashing into earth. The bible also states, that “god” made plants, did he really? No. All of the plants were formed on there own.

Now, I ask this, is there really a god? I know there is not. Everyone, think of it, how could a god be possible? He has never been seen, and never clearly been heard. What of your “miracles”? Are they really miracles? Maybe, but from asking god? Probably not.

Honestly? How? When? There is NO set date is there? No, how do we REALLY know what happened? By science.

I hate to say this, but I really do not think some people have any sense.

I will use this as my example. I have a friend, his name is Tim. His mother is a Christian, a devoted one at that. My friend is her son, Tim. He used to be a Christian, and he too was a devoted one. But one day I asked him. “Is there really a god? Is there any real proof? Do you really believe?” I asked that, and left him to be. The next day, he called me up and said “Michael, you are right.” He went on and on, how I was right, that there is no god. He is the one that mainly pointed out the whole “God made this” After that, we started trying to tell people that it is all a lie.

Now tell me, what is your opinion now? Do you still believe in the nonsense? Think about it and reply please.

Well done, you proved that the creation story of the bible is wrong, however I still don't see your proof that God doesn't exist. Just because the people that wrote the creation story thousands of years ago were wrong doesn't mean that God doesn't exist it simply meant that they didn't know how he did it. How would they have ever known anyway? it isn't like he created it a day before it was written, he created it billions of years before.

 

[Plznate]

I dont entirely agree with the OP. I was raised in a Christian household, and attended Christian schools until I was 16. I am now 21, and do not believe in Christianity. Just because my parents believed in it, and it was drilled into my head for years, does not mean I believe it. Except I base my disbelief on the hypocrasy displayed by 90% of the people who call themselves Christians, and the rest on the overall "bad", decayed state that the world has come to.

I do however, believe in some sort of omnipotent being, creature, etc. I wont try to prove anything because its pointless: it absolutely CANNOT be proved that some sort of god type being exists. However, when I look up at the stars at night, and see the huge vast galaxies, or perhaps studying anatomy class and seeing the millions upon millions of cells and organisms that function in unison to make a human, there are some semblances of patern, or design in these things. This is the only reason I would consider the idea of a partial intelligent design theory.

....It's exactly this ridiculous. If you don't believe me then try replace the word god with any made up word or name, and see how much sense religious teachings really make.

"In the beginning flour created the heavens and the earth, blah blah."

I LOLed at this. Although I agree, simply changing the word structure of a frase doesnt necessarily invalidate it.

"two divided by two equals flour"

 

[Arya]

I began to quote your claims, but I stopped. I figured I'd leave it at this.

To state that there is no God and to state that there is no Christian God are two very different things. I believe this should be the origin/basic understanding before starting any religious debate. Obviously, you choose not to realize this in your post.

Because the christian bible may not be right, does not mean that there is no God. Mind you, logic still deviates to the side of the argument stating that since there is no proof, there is no God. Nonetheless, you haven't taken into consideration that.

All you did was point out a contradiction that has been pointed out many times before, stating that it was the reason why you don't believe in God.

Your claim may not be 'flawed', but it is not full proof, and it is not logical.