Making Report On StopSign

http://www.sythe.org/members/356106-stopsign.html

StopSign asked me to do a Graphic. An avatar to be exact.

SO all this for 3$

So he started telling me what he wanted.



HIM SAYING WHAT HE WANT HIS AVATAR TO BE:



ME PROVIDING HIM AN AVATR LIKE HE REQUESTED:



Now, hes changing his idea COMPLETELY:



So resized it:


Now he wants another thing...REMOVING THE WHITE BORDERS ON EACH FRAME OF THE GIF AND MAKE THEM BLUE


So did it:


But now hes saying something other that what he was saying about the blue...



So now hes asking me to do it transparent:



Did it:


Now, he dont want transparent anymore???:





And yea... I was really pissed off at the end. My reputation here on sythe is to be super friendly. I was really trying but when you spend more than 1hour and a half for 3$ and the person is constantly changing his ideas AND you already did what he requested, it pissed you off cause at the end, I HAVE NOTHING!

I hope you guys know what I was feeling... It seems stupid that he did that for 3$ ONLY... But yea idk what he could get for that so im making a report -.- You cant do this kind of stuff...

*Im always trying my best to get the best GFX requested and they can ask me for changes, idc! But when its like that for an hour and a half and changes his idea every work i completed, its not acceptable

 

[Galaxy]

merge this with [http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1635732-making-report-stopsign.html]

So to begin.

I wouldn't really classify this as a scam, much more a dispute that neither party since the incident has tried in any way to settle.

I agree that I asked THERSGOD if he would make me a signature and avatar.
If you read through the entire conversation you will see that I never agreed to a price and my comments on his statements of a price where never refuted.

I will quote each of the described incidents below: Please Note that will denote me, StopSign, speaking and [T] will denote THERSGOD speaking.

This first incident occurred after he created the first avatar for me.

Incident 1 - 5th Screenshot
[T] - ".....Wont really spend longer than this for $3..."
- A few lines below "meh idk" (I was not satisfied with the product)

To this point we had still not agreed on a price for anything, all he had said was if I wanted that gfx it would cost me $3.

I then proceeded to ask him if avatars could be gifs, asked him to make an avatar of a specific gif.

Incident 2 - 7th Screenshot
[T] - "Dude can i have the 3$ after posting the smaller version of this^ ... Cause u wasted like 50 mins XD and didnt get anything"

- 50 mins for a product that wasn't that great.."

[T] - Dude we dont know what you really want then...People posted what you "wanted" (a stop sign replacing the rocket) and your saying wasnt that great... Its your idea tho xD " Represents the emoticon used in the screenshot

- "im paying for a product not the time" (This line clearly states what I am going to pay for and to this point I had not received a single product that I was satisfied with)

Incident 3 - 9th Screenshot

I would just like to point out that we were discussing what $3 was worth in eoc gp. I was not agreeing to pay him any amount at this time. It was a discussion of $3 worth in rsgp currency.

Incident 4 - 10th Screenshot
[T] - "Sorry but im not making more than that. You cant use what i did if you don't pay. ..."

From this above comment you can clearly see that he implies that I do not use or have permission to use the above creations if i dont pay. Therefore, it is clear I am paying for a final product.

The rest of the dialogue is just us going back and forth I ask for more changes and we go back and forth.

The final piece i will point out is a comment I made on screenshot #14

- "We agreed on a payment of a complete and final product not based on time"

[T] - "Ok but thats not the point. The point is that your changing idea each work i do. Thats not it works"

Clearly here you can see our established agreement. I was willing to pay $3 for a final product. His comment on this is "Ok" Clearly, he has nothing against my statement on our agreed upon transaction conditions.

After this we continue to bicker and argue and I never receive a final product because he quit working on it.

Please Note: If an admin deems that I am in the wrong here, I will HAPPILY pay THERSGOD his $3 as quickly as possible and get this dispute....not a scam past me.

 

I will quote each of the described incidents below: Please Note that will denote me, StopSign, speaking and [T] will denote THERSGOD speaking.

This first incident occurred after he created the first avatar for me.

Incident 1 - 5th Screenshot
[T] - ".....Wont really spend longer than this for $3..."
- A few lines below "meh idk" (I was not satisfied with the product)

To this point we had still not agreed on a price for anything, all he had said was if I wanted that gfx it would cost me $3.

I trusted you... I usually get paid before the work but when I saw who you were, I was like ok I will do it. But did not think that it would go so bad.

I then proceeded to ask him if avatars could be gifs, asked him to make an avatar of a specific gif.

Incident 2 - 7th Screenshot
[T] - "Dude can i have the 3$ after posting the smaller version of this^ ... Cause u wasted like 50 mins XD and didnt get anything"

- 50 mins for a product that wasn't that great.."

[T] - Dude we dont know what you really want then...People posted what you "wanted" (a stop sign replacing the rocket) and your saying wasnt that great... Its your idea tho xD " Represents the emoticon used in the screenshot

- "im paying for a product not the time" (This line clearly states what I am going to pay for and to this point I had not received a single product that I was satisfied with)

That is exactly why my customers are always paying before. They CANT change THEIR idea of the product. You "product" like you said, is the picture( replacing the rocket, by a stop sign and only take the minions). I did EXACTLY this. When someone pays, im always happy to do modifications but when you start getting rid of your idea because you think "oh, my idea dont work that great. I will try another idea"

For example, someone added me the other day for MULTIPLE avatars. He paid me before and I did every single avatar. In your case, you asked for 1 avatar but really, it was multiple avatars that I did with all your ideas changing.

Each "idea" is considered a product for us, GFX designer. You do not know how much time we spend on someone for 1 idea... (but really... there is limits! - thats why ALOT of GFX Designers is being paid by the time OR being paid for EXTRA time ---> I did not do that for you...)

Incident 3 - 9th Screenshot

I would just like to point out that we were discussing what $3 was worth in eoc gp. I was not agreeing to pay him any amount at this time. It was a discussion of $3 worth in rsgp currency.

Oh NO... I would consider this like a lie. You agreed to me that when I finished that, I would get the 3$ worth of RSGP...

Proof:

And ... did it:

Incident 4 - 10th Screenshot
[T] - "Sorry but im not making more than that. You cant use what i did if you don't pay. ..."

From this above comment you can clearly see that he implies that I do not use or have permission to use the above creations if i dont pay. Therefore, it is clear I am paying for a final product.

I wont spend more time on people who, i know, they will not pay at the end. Cmon, you have to admit that 3$ for almost 2 hours is ridiculous. I dont do that generally... After I did the avatar with the stop sign, he asked me for MORE time for a totally different avatar. I did it only because I was thinking I would be paid. Its when you asked for all the changes of what you said to me that was pissing me off. I knew I had to stop after you did not pay for what you asked for.

So I said, dont use my work.

The rest of the dialogue is just us going back and forth I ask for more changes and we go back and forth.

The final piece i will point out is a comment I made on screenshot #14

- "We agreed on a payment of a complete and final product not based on time"

[T] - "Ok but thats not the point. The point is that your changing idea each work i do. Thats not it works"

Clearly here you can see our established agreement. I was willing to pay $3 for a final product. His comment on this is "Ok" Clearly, he has nothing against my statement on our agreed upon transaction conditions.

I am french dude.. That is how I talk :S I practically say "Ok" before alot of sentences. I did not know you would consider my Ok like that... Anyway, did you read only my "ok" or all my sentence? Because you should of read ALL of what I said. "thats not the point. The point is that your changing idea each work i do. Thats not it works" In GFX, you HAVE to pay for EVERY different work/idea.

After this we continue to bicker and argue and I never receive a final product because he quit working on it.

Yes because I had to quit... I knew this would go forever for only 3$.

Please Note: If an admin deems that I am in the wrong here, I will HAPPILY pay THERSGOD his $3 as quickly as possible and get this dispute....not a scam past me.

I really do not hate you. I do not hate anybody. I dont want you to think that I am a bad guy while doing this report. I want you to know that what you did, was really pissing me off and that I was really thinking I would get paid for the time I spent on all the works you wanted to be done.

 

[Galaxy]

That is exactly why my customers are always paying before. They CANT change THEIR idea of the product. You "product" like you said, is the picture( replacing the rocket, by a stop sign and only take the minions). I did EXACTLY this. When someone pays, im always happy to do modifications but when you start getting rid of your idea because you think "oh, my idea dont work that great. I will try another idea"

For example, someone added me the other day for MULTIPLE avatars. He paid me before and I did every single avatar. In your case, you asked for 1 avatar but really, it was multiple avatars that I did with all your ideas changing.

Each "idea" is considered a product for us, GFX designer. You do not know how much time we spend on someone for 1 idea... (but really... there is limits! - thats why ALOT of GFX Designers is being paid by the time OR being paid for EXTRA time ---> I did not do that for you...)

That is completely silly. The product is my avatar which is my idea... There is nothing that says "each modification to the initial assessment has an additional charge." The "product" is the final end stage of the product. You don'y purchase a soda product after they finish labeling the bottle, you purchase it once is at its final stage of production.

I was only buying 1 avatar, which is the first thing I said. I never said anything about more than 1. The idea changed because your work was unsatisfactory and did not meet the standards i desired and so I improvised to try and have an avatar that I liked and you could produce.

Like I said multiple times in the chat I was NOT paying for your time, I was paying for the final product (which you have not completed).

Oh NO... I would consider this like a lie. You agreed to me that when I finished that, I would get the 3$ worth of RSGP...

There was never anything said that I would pay you $3 worth of RSGP. There was nothing that I said I would pay for. The only thing we agreed on is that when i did pay I could pay $3 worth of rsgp which we determined to be 10m EOC.

I wont spend more time on people who, i know, they will not pay at the end. Cmon, you have to admit that 3$ for almost 2 hours is ridiculous. I dont do that generally... After I did the avatar with the stop sign, he asked me for MORE time for a totally different avatar. I did it only because I was thinking I would be paid. Its when you asked for all the changes of what you said to me that was pissing me off. I knew I had to stop after you did not pay for what you asked for.

So I said, dont use my work.

Like I said before, I was not paying for your time. I was paying for the end product. The only reason I asked for a different avatar cuz the first one looked like crap. You stopped before we reached an end product, and got mad because it was taking too long.

I am french dude.. That is how I talk :S I practically say "Ok" before alot of sentences. I did not know you would consider my Ok like that... Anyway, did you read only my "ok" or all my sentence? Because you should of read ALL of what I said. "thats not the point. The point is that your changing idea each work i do. Thats not it works" In GFX, you HAVE to pay for EVERY different work/idea.

So every change I need you make I have to pay for? This is illogical. Unsatisfactory work or work that isn't what the customer wants should not be charged. Thats like if I asked you for a chocolate pudding and you came back with what you called a chocolate pudding but it was really mud and expecting me to pay for it. SILLY!

Yes because I had to quit... I knew this would go forever for only 3$.

^^^ You quit before we reached a final product, which is what I was going to pay the $3 for. I should not be charged for the time that I had already stated I wasnt going to pay. It is your fault you did not continue work on the avatar in order to reach a final product.

I really do not hate you. I do not hate anybody. I dont want you to think that I am a bad guy while doing this report. I want you to know that what you did, was really pissing me off and that I was really thinking I would get paid for the time I spent on all the works you wanted to be done.

^ You should not get paid for unsatisfactory work when we agreed that I was not paying for your time, but a final product.

Your arguments are so invalid. You made the assumption I was paying for your time. I clearly stated multiple times that I would pay when I was satisfied with the work and had reached an agreed upon time. You obviously didn't like this because you quit before we were able to reach the point where I was satisfied or an end product was established.

I will also say this again! The only thing I did not pay for was your time. I stated multiple multiple times that I was not paying for your time. I have not used any of your graphics that you created during this time which is exactly what you said if I didn't pay you. We also NEVER reached an end product. There was nothing for me to pay for!!!!!!!!!!! Therefore, this is not even a scam to begin with.

tl;de

 

That is completely silly. The product is my avatar which is my idea... There is nothing that says "each modification to the initial assessment has an additional charge." The "product" is the final end stage of the product. You don'y purchase a soda product after they finish labeling the bottle, you purchase it once is at its final stage of production.

I was only buying 1 avatar, which is the first thing I said. I never said anything about more than 1. The idea changed because your work was unsatisfactory and did not meet the standards i desired and so I improvised to try and have an avatar that I liked and you could produce.

Like I said multiple times in the chat I was NOT paying for your time, I was paying for the final product (which you have not completed).



There was never anything said that I would pay you $3 worth of RSGP. There was nothing that I said I would pay for. The only thing we agreed on is that when i did pay I could pay $3 worth of rsgp which we determined to be 10m EOC.



Like I said before, I was not paying for your time. I was paying for the end product. The only reason I asked for a different avatar cuz the first one looked like crap. You stopped before we reached an end product, and got mad because it was taking too long.



So every change I need you make I have to pay for? This is illogical. Unsatisfactory work or work that isn't what the customer wants should not be charged. Thats like if I asked you for a chocolate pudding and you came back with what you called a chocolate pudding but it was really mud and expecting me to pay for it. SILLY!




^^^ You quit before we reached a final product, which is what I was going to pay the $3 for. I should not be charged for the time that I had already stated I wasnt going to pay. It is your fault you did not continue work on the avatar in order to reach a final product.



^ You should not get paid for unsatisfactory work when we agreed that I was not paying for your time, but a final product.

Your arguments are so invalid. You made the assumption I was paying for your time. I clearly stated multiple times that I would pay when I was satisfied with the work and had reached an agreed upon time. You obviously didn't like this because you quit before we were able to reach the point where I was satisfied or an end product was established.

I will also say this again! The only thing I did not pay for was your time. I stated multiple multiple times that I was not paying for your time. I have not used any of your graphics that you created during this time which is exactly what you said if I didn't pay you. We also NEVER reached an end product. There was nothing for me to pay for!!!!!!!!!!! Therefore, this is not even a scam to begin with.

tl;de

All you say in this post is repeat what you said in the other post. Your only argument really is that you pay for the product.

I want to wait mods before writing something else because I think I explained well what I think about that.

 

[Dave]

Wait, let me get this straight. TheRsGod made some type of GFX for StopSign, Stopsign didn't like it, StopSign doesn't want to pay?

 

If you read all of the report, you will see my point. He was supposed to pay after the work but continued to ask for another work. Its like if he was using me to test his ideas...

You cant ask a gfx designer to do something and change COMPLETLY your first idea. (And be like that for almost 2h). Also, you can see the proof, he was gunna pay for my work after I did what he wanted... But didnt and wanted something else... And something else... Did EVERYTHING of what he said.

Agreed to pay for this work:

Proof:

And ... did it:


I know its a long report but if you read it all, you will see. If you have any other questions, ask me and i will be happy to answer (sorry for my english)

And please consider that the money is not the biggest problem. It is the way he treated me and manipulated me.

 

[Dave]

Refer to post below

 

[Dave]

he never finished the gif I requested and each time he asked me to pay. I said I would pay for the final product once I was happy with it. He never finished it and quit before we reached a final product.

So basically what I've gathered is that StopSign kept pushing for a different/better product for his finished product and you two never came up to an agreement.

What I'm going to let it stand as is follows -

StopSign, you should be more specific about your requests, having someone spend 2 hours on a piece of work you don't use/don't pay for is annoying to say the least.

TheRsg0d, with GFX comes patience and you should know by now that GFX customer service can be a difficult place to be because people are very picky. I also understand that it's frustrating because this wasn't a simple piece of GFX such as a UI, this was a .gif and it probably annoying to create.

So it'll stand as so, you will be paid 5m RS3 as compensation for the work but no the full pay of 10M simply because he didn't use it.

This is only because you put so much work into it and complied with all of the changes that Stop requested.

This is the final verdict. StopSign, pay him ASAP please.

 

StopSign paid me the 5M. Thanks Dave for answering the report. You can close this report.

 

[Dave]

Thanks guys.