Make Name Sales great again

[KLucius]

The reform of rules in the Name Sales section has been suggested many times, however what I will be suggesting is something a little different.

It's no secret that the Name Sales section is shady. In fact, I'll go ahead and say that it's the most easily abusable marketplace on Sythe. There are people who literally do nothing but refresh the page in the name sales section looking for publicly advertised names to put in their sniping bot, proceeding to sell them for personal profit. Then there are those who simply snipe their own names back and put them back in the market.

You may be asking, how do they get away with it?

Well reader, this is because there is NO WAY to prove somebody sniped a name - unless they admit to it. Which believe it or not very rarely happens. When a ban occurs in the name sales section, 99% of the time it's because somebody was baited into admitting they sniped a name. However, some of the bans in that section make absolutely no sense whatsoever, and yours truly was a victim of this.

Take time to read through the thread below:
Klucius is a scammer

If you CBA, then the TL;DR is that I was permanently banned from Sythe because a name I was selling to this guy was sniped. Yes, seriously. The only way I was able to get unbanned was to PM the mod that banned me and show him the video of the trade. If I hadn't recorded it, I'd have been out 700m RS3 + a rare RSN, despite the fact that MY BUYER WAS TAKING SNIPE RESPONSIBILITY.

Now, compare the thread below to the thread where I was banned.
Blindcubefreak - Name snipe - "Poll"

See any similarities? The user "blindcubefreak" was reported because a name he was selling was sniped, yet he wasn't banned because "insufficient proof". Granted, his case was dealt with by the mod Gracious, who is active in the name sales section. Now I'm not saying my ban was to blame on mods on Sythe not doing their duty - they do a great job enforcing the rules. The only problem is, the rules don't explicitly state what classifies as "evidence" when it comes to name sniping.

The way things are currently, somebody can get away with sniping a name by just saying "I bought it from some random guy" and by providing easily faked screenshots. This is how so many people get away with "name recycling" as I call it - selling a name, sniping it back, rinse & repeat.

Am I suggesting we as a community should vote to make name sniping legal? Absolutely not. In fact, my solution is a lot more simple.

What I suggest is to add a 9th rule to the name sales section, stated:Before selling a name, the buyer and seller must agree on who will take snipe responsibility.
Now clearly, this rule isn't perfect - there would still be nothing stopping sellers from sniping their own names back and re-selling. That's where rule #10 comes in:​

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  • Do not knowingly purchase sniped names.

With this rule, there isn't a chance in hell that somebody would be able to successfully appeal in their name recycling attempt. If a name is sniped from their buyer during transfer, their buyer would have all the proof necessary to prove the seller broke rule #10.

These rules may need refining, but naturally that job would be up to the staff of Sythe. This is just my two cents, and the easiest way to clear up the foggy areas of name sales. While I'm on the topic of name sales however, let me list a few things I've seen suggested elsewhere that I completely agree with.​

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  • Do not make a thread solely for buying names. This is considered spam.
  • If a name you're selling is bound to an account, you must state this in your thread.
  • When asking for a price check on a name in the "Name Price Check" topic, you must first read How To Tell if your Name is Rare or Not + Name Market Tips/FAQ to lessen the amount of spam.
  • Remove the name request thread, as it's a haven for snipers and rarely ever helps anybody get information on a name.

I'm interested in hear your views on these matters, so please don't hesitate to leave a comment.

Cheers, Khai.​

 

[Bonesack]

I have a suggestion as well that I didn't feel warranted it's own thread but since this is here I'll post it now. My personal suggestion would simply be for all names required to be sold on accounts. It's how many of us sell and buy our names already, but it should be required as this allows for both the seller and buyer to move the name at their own risk and discretion. In my opinion and I'd assume a lot of other name traders agree as they share the same policies this is the safest way of dealing with buying or selling a name GENERALLY speaking. I've brought this up before in a similar thread here but it never got anywhere. I genuinely believe that requiring all names being bought and sold on accounts would eliminate a lot of the issues in the Name Sales market. Of course accounts can be recovered, but the Name Sales market can adopt the same policy as the other RS Account Sales sections in which if an account is recovered with sufficient proof it will be up to the seller to get the account back or offer a refund. The determination of whether an account should be sold in the normal RS Account Sales section or the Name Sales section will be where the value of the account comes from (the stats or the name). This isn't a PERFECT suggestion, but it's a suggestion nonetheless. Feel free to give your input and opinion.

 

[Wonderland]

This is retarded. Instead of trying to make an already complex market more complex by adding unnecessary restrictions that are realistically not going to be followed, how about we just give a warning about how unsafe the market is? Oh wait, we already do that.

 

[KLucius]

This is retarded. Instead of trying to make an already complex market more complex by adding unnecessary restrictions that are realistically not going to be followed, how about we just give a warning about how unsafe the market is? Oh wait, we already do that.

It's called filling in the loopholes. Opposed to ignoring them and telling people to trade at their own risk.

 

[Wonderland]

It's called filling in the loopholes. Opposed to ignoring them and telling people to trade at their own risk.

You aren't filling any loophole here. You are simply making the process of attempting to buy or sell a name longer, by which still ignores the bigger picture. When people issue a disclaimer, are they ignoring the issue by issuing a warning? That's contradictory.

 

[Wonderland]

Just think about it. All you're suggesting is liability be discussed prior to purchasing, which should be encouraged not forced because it won't realistically be followed by a large majority.

 

[sehun]

+1 this to no end, especially the parts about spam and names like hardcore arm and xmysticwind and other stuff.
We need more/another name sales mod, hands down give it to bonesack or lucius, can't think of anyone else that would even be responsible with it off the top of my head.

 

[Lozz]

Yh the name sales forum is ridiculously spammed up with useless names atm. Since Dunworry left its been spammed up to no end with names that clearly are not rare in any way or form. Really frustrating when you're trying to sift through threads/posts looking for purchases and really frustrating when you are trying to help out people on the price thread.
The posts nowadays literally consist of people asking for prices on names like "best pker, i think this name wud be rly cool for any pkers out there ", when you tell them their name is worth 0 then you are angrily met with a response like "you dont know shit about the clannin world bro u know nothing about pking". Nobody reads the stickies or even the first page of the name sales thread. I really strongly think people should be infracted for this.

And I can already see people are going to argue "But wheres the distinction between a name price post that deserves an infraction and one that doesn't?" Well, if it doesnt meet the criteria of Dunworry's 'How to check if ur name is rare' thread then it should be infracted plain and simple.

 

[Liam]

Yh the name sales forum is ridiculously spammed up with useless names atm. Since Dunworry left its been spammed up to no end with names that clearly are not rare in any way or form. Really frustrating when you're trying to sift through threads/posts looking for purchases and really frustrating when you are trying to help out people on the price thread.
The posts nowadays literally consist of people asking for prices on names like "best pker, i think this name wud be rly cool for any pkers out there ", when you tell them their name is worth 0 then you are angrily met with a response like "you dont know shit about the clannin world bro u know nothing about pking". Nobody reads the stickies or even the first page of the name sales thread. I really strongly think people should be infracted for this.

And I can already see people are going to argue "But wheres the distinction between a name price post that deserves an infraction and one that doesn't?" Well, if it doesnt meet the criteria of Dunworry's 'How to check if ur name is rare' thread then it should be infracted plain and simple.

RuneScape Name Sales

- The section lacks the word "rare" for a reason.
- The names market is even riskier than the accounts market. Aka 0/10 for scale-able business.
- Ever since Jagex released inactive names letter by letter, 'rare' names have decreased in value and demand. Do an archived google search back to 2010/2011 of black market name sales on sythe and competitor markets for evidence of this.

I think that's enough reasons to leave the section as it is. Those who want to engage in this niche can, and nobody is stopping them.

 

[hattez]

I just buy and sell my names with the account. I personally don't give a shit how others do it. If you wish to take the risk than by all means do you. What I don't agree with is all the bitching. We all know the risk. Names get sniped. I've just learned how to avoid it personally. I can also attest to all the names I've sold being successfully transferred. Selling with account included From trusted sources is the only way to go. It's a open market so let downies
be downies

 

[tMoon]

We are not going to tell people not to purchase names. Even if it is sniped, it is their responsibility to weigh the possible outcomes of their purchase. With that, the suggestion has been denied.

However, I have edited the following into the name sales rules:

Here are the forum-specific rules:

• Name sniping is treated as scamming. Refer to The Sythe.org Official Rules.
  • Buyers & Sellers should agree upon name transfer and who's responsibility it is if the name is sniped. Purchasing a name, having it sniped, and reporting the seller is not grounds for a ban unless you can provide proof they sniped (or set up the sniping of) the name.