Logical proof that God exists

[sirlaughsalot]

Your argument for 2 is flawed. Just because something does not exist, that does not mean that it is impossible for it to exist.

[Hypothetical Scenario]
There is not a boy called Jimmy who has brown eyes, blonde hair and lives with his Uncle in France. That does not mean that it is impossible for Jimmy to have ever existed, or for him to exist in the future.

[2nd Hypothetical Scenario]
There is currently not a war between America and Britain. That does not mean that it is impossible for a war to break out or to have occured in the past. (Which as far as I'm aware there wasn't)

Even if he existed, what proof is there that he would actually be a necessary being? That is simply an assumption.

I believe your argument is irrelevant - it neither determines nor denies the existence of God. It simply makes us think again about these issues.

He is simply saying that it is POSSIBLE for God to exist, whether or not he DOES is completely up to you. But if He does exist then He will always have existed and will always exist, because He made the Earth. and if He doesnt currently exist then he will never have existed, granting that it is impossible for an intelligent being greater than us to suddenly appear.

 

[Shredderbeam]

He is simply saying that it is POSSIBLE for God to exist, whether or not he DOES is completely up to you. But if He does exist then He will always have existed and will always exist, because He made the Earth. and if He doesnt currently exist then he will never have existed, granting that it is impossible for an intelligent being greater than us to suddenly appear.

Eh, that's not what I'm arguing at all...

I'm arguing that God, stripped of all attributes but existence, DOES exist.

 

[sirlaughsalot]

Eh, that's not what I'm arguing at all...

I'm arguing that God, stripped of all attributes but existence, DOES exist.

So your arguing that a being that does nothing is possible to exist, but one that does stuff (cant think of a better word...) cant?

 

[Shredderbeam]

So your arguing that a being that does nothing is possible to exist, but one that does stuff (cant think of a better word...) cant?

I didn't say it was a being. I said it was God, stripped of all attributes except for existence.

I also didn't argue that a more complex being cannot exist.

 

[sirlaughsalot]

I didn't say it was a being. I said it was God, stripped of all attributes except for existence.

I also didn't argue that a more complex being cannot exist.

Of course if something existed then it has to exist... it is impossible (in our minds) for something to exist and not exist at the same time... but you arent arguing the God exists are you? simply that your theory is true?

Btw I am a Christian and do believe in God I said "a being" in an attempt to respect your viewpoints, but I completely understand why you have the wording the was you do.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Of course if something existed then it has to exist... it is impossible (in our minds) for something to exist and not exist at the same time... but you arent arguing the God exists are you? simply that your theory is true?

I am arguing that God, stripped of all attributes except for existence, exists. Basically, it's a proof for existence that I'm calling God.

It isn't a theory - it's a proof.

 

[sirlaughsalot]

If you believe what you are saying then how can you be an atheist? Because if God can exist with or without having any attributes then how does he not exist?

You are very intelligent btw, give me time to get some things lol im only 14...

 

[Shredderbeam]

If you believe what you are saying then how can you be an atheist? Because if God can exist with or without having any attributes then how does he not exist?

God without any attributes except for existence is just existence, but for some reason, I call it God. That does not mean that a personal, intelligent, loving, worship-worthy God exists. All that this thread is meant to do is to show that existence exists.

You are very intelligent btw, give me time to get some things lol im only 14...

Thanks, I try.

 

[sirlaughsalot]

God without any attributes except for existence is just existence, but for some reason, I call it God. That does not mean that a personal, intelligent, loving, worship-worthy God exists. All that this thread is meant to do is to show that existence exists.

Okay... i am still a little confused on how this is even relevant... Something that exists DOES exist... there is no arguing that...I get the impression you are almost saying that people are "God" because they exist, I dont think that is what you are saying, but saying that something exists, really does exist there is no point in even discussing that... I guess that is what you are saying, but to have a discussion thread like this there must be some point that has 2 sides to it... but i guess there isn't if you are simply arguing that if something exists it really exists... ugh im just talking in circles now... good luck trying to proove something that is inherently provable...

 

[Shredderbeam]

Okay... i am still a little confused on how this is even relevant... Something that exists DOES exist... there is no arguing that...I get the impression you are almost saying that people are "God" because they exist, I dont think that is what you are saying, but saying that something exists, really does exist there is no point in even discussing that... I guess that is what you are saying, but to have a discussion thread like this there must be some point that has 2 sides to it... but i guess there isn't if you are simply arguing that if something exists it really exists... ugh im just talking in circles now... good luck trying to proove something that is inherently provable...

The only thing whose existence is impossible if it does not exist is existence itself. Since the idea of existence is not impossible, however, it must exist.

 

[sirlaughsalot]

The only thing whose existence is impossible if it does not exist is existence itself. Since the idea of existence is not impossible, however, it must exist.

almost like saying, "nothing is constant" or "never say never"? and you constantly repeat yourself... to every one of my questions/comments you have answered almost the same...

 

[Shredderbeam]

I'm really not sure what you're asking.

 

[sirlaughsalot]

well im making sure I understand what you are saying, because if you never say never then you are saying never... but if nothing exists, then that statement exists?

 

[Shredderbeam]

If nothing exists, then it is impossible for anything to exist, for how would it come into being?

 

[MohtasaUnique]

If nothing exists, then it is impossible for anything to exist, for how would it come into being?

God brings everything into being. :]

Also, if the eye isn't complex then we are brainless apes if our most sophisticated techonology can't top a simple human eye. as for the relation to the big bang, the whole thing is if god exists and the big bang is contradicting christianity. This is a counter argument with the point being, Random occurrences such as a big bang or whatever can't make such powerful tools such as the eye.

 

[Shredderbeam]

God brings everything into being. :]

If NOTHING exists, then God doesn't exist either.

Also, if the eye isn't complex

It is certainly complex, but not irreducibly complex.

then we are brainless apes if our most sophisticated techonology can't top a simple human eye.

Technology in the public sector has come close, to my knowledge. As for what the Western governments can do, they are probably capable of it already.

as for the relation to the big bang, the whole thing is if god exists and the big bang is contradicting christianity.

First, we're not talking about the Judeo-Christian God, and second, the Big Bang does not contradict Christianity.

This is a counter argument with the point being, Random occurrences such as a big bang or whatever can't make such powerful tools such as the eye.

A massive explosion doesn't make an eye, obviously. Evolution does.

 

[WhereIsTheGod]

If nothing exists, can God exist?

To create existence.

 

[gaytime]

I'm not even gonna try arguing with you shredder since I know you will win
I just wanna say that I disagree.

i also disagree

 

[PurpleDragon O Doom]

God exist if your existence of God is in an omnipresent state ..
If you believe he exist, he exist. I noticed that the word "Exist" is used a lot through the post .. Are you all trying to make your post LOOK smarter? Meh ..

Anyways, the being and existence of God is incontrovertible if that person believes he exist. For those who do not believe that God exist, he simply does not exist.

 

[hailmatt69]

lol your an idiot, read that to yourself out loud and ask youself... Does this make any sense? or am I just trying to sound smart?