gun is god WolfRunescape Outstanding Debt (Video Neglegance

Scammer's profile link: http://www.sythe.org/members/395406-wolfrunescape.html

Explanation of the trade:
There was no direct trade. I was scammed by Pie Overlord for 160m 07 while renting his account (Found here: http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1812109-pie-over.html). After receiving word from Video that he was willing to refund, they said he would only refund 30.5m 07, as he claims that was all that was on the account. After this, messaging between myself and Video ceased until i bugged him enough to where he replied "I paid your debt with Wolf, so he has the 30m".

How they scammed:
The reason im reporting this in the scam section, is that Wolf is the one with stolen property in his hands. They cut me out of the entire loop when i was the victim, and Video simply "took wolf's word" that i owe him money.
The entire thing stems from the account Myself, MrEvilPwns and Farcast HAD ACCESS to while hosting in Soul Rich's clan "Stake of w54" where I was ddosed while hosting a 1.1b pot. Upon re-login, the 1.1b was not on there. Bettors claim it was a win, which in that instance they ARE due a refund, but no proof was ever shown as to a win. So without proof showing a win, there is no required refund in that case. MEP and Wolf refunded some of the bets out of Pity, not because it was needed. And then insisted to say that their Pity refunds were my fault and i owe them 165m rs3 each, which is a load of shit.

Now to clarify;
Since there was no proof of a win, im not liable for anything, and wasn't liable anyhow. Wolf claimed full responsibility for me hosting, and MEP for the account itself as it WAS HIS. Since it was a boxing stake with under 100 health left, the ddos wouldnt disconnect us from the fight, so no refund was due on those means. The only reason a refund would ever be present is if it was a win, which again was never shown.
I have relentlessly tried to contact Wolf, no replies. I have relentlessly tried to get my refund through Video, who even ADMITS he distinctly went around me and paid wolf without ANY PROOF AT ALL. Not before all of these things happened and people simple turn on me over $50, i respected all parties. Not anymore.

Skype proof for all parties:

Video: http://gyazo.com/746d0e624c0aa3ef2e3067f7a2886390

Soul Rich: http://gyazo.com/fd237880107df2d06b0cf0cbaa4a74f0

WolfRunescape: http://gyazo.com/c1e07aa6b6fa24ad474294973ffebdc3

Skype profile ID & conversation:

Attempt to contact wolf to claim the $ back: http://gyazo.com/c1e07aa6b6fa24ad474294973ffebdc3

Video Acknlowledging He didnt even contact me about the refund, went straight to Wolf with the $ : http://gyazo.com/746d0e624c0aa3ef2e3067f7a2886390

Wolf Assuming responsibility for the problems in SR's clan: http://gyazo.com/0d1ade8b44c61c702df76210e45d27fd

Pie Overlord confirming he was never told to contact me, or refund me: http://gyazo.com/6b70edc43718e99d0c5234949ef4ca3b

SR confirming I owe nothing, claiming he paid for my "mishaps" When nothing has been proven or provided to ANY PARTIES that shows i assume responsibility for anything, or even Wolf/MEP assume responsibility. YET AGAIN they refunded out of pity, not proof.: http://gyazo.com/28da891288417e4baeb81f32b111803c

SR confirming there was NO PROOF of a win generated, ever : http://gyazo.com/5f65ee6270b12d6ff3b20a1b649b79c7

Video admitting he excluded me, and took wolf's word that i owe him : http://gyazo.com/ed5fc689009f25f8efd41abe8c639d13

Yet again, another instance saying NO PROOF was posted of a win, and they refunded out of PITY, not requirement. : http://gyazo.com/f8bb93ad07dc651a2d79afed5209458c

Other relevant trade screenshots:
I had teamspeak logs from the whole thing on top of this, but couldnt dig them up.

Any additional info/proof needed Staff? Contact my skype: Theyusv

 

Please add that MrEvilPwns is also in control of 15m 07 of the gold that I am owed. News to me.

Sythe profile: http://www.sythe.org/members/382839-mrevilpwns.html

Proof:
http://gyazo.com/00e3a23e2e6cbd739fabb7aba5b8dbeb

 

In addition, Soul Rich has contacted me saying it was a refund based on a "rule he made up on the fly". No documentation, or knowledge of the rule.
Here is a full list of the rules + Refund policies for Stake of W54. Just so there is no confusion.

http://gyazo.com/ab238bceb142dd3b3b60d22f3717a795
http://gyazo.com/ee5bbf79ed0c1f15b6e2967f2f9533c4
http://gyazo.com/201587b8dadbd5024d7ae5ea8e127e3f
http://gyazo.com/d5a36f9a487eb65e02103200320d47a5

 

After examining be situation Soul Rich determined that the betters would have to be refunded with their bets, as the standard protocol of the friends chat is. He is an owner of the friends chat, so we have to trust his judgement in any situation regarding the clan.

You refused to pay because you said that there was no proof of a win. It is safe to say that the only reason this situation occurred is that either you scammed, or your computer was compromised, meaning that you are liable for the refund as you and I discussed when I was laying out the specifics of you using my rank (that you would be liable for refunds)

You never payed the refund, so Chris and I took money out of our own pocket to refund your betters, which indebts you to us.

 

The first words out of your mouth, on teamspeak, were as follows:
And i nearly quote, "Well a loss would not matter as you would not disconnect by the end of the fight, so unless they prove it was a win, we dont need to refund anyway".

Now seeing as i obviously didn't record this at the time, you/MEP will clearly say "oh i never said that". Etc. But the way you are all speaking/treating me, slandering my name on skype (Soul Rich), just reflects who the shallow individuals in this situation are.

And you know what? After talking to all you guys on TS for months, i aspired simply to become part of the group and have you respect me. I've made, indirectly, all of you in excess of a thousand dollars with all the staking, etc we've done. You've entrusted me with bils, etc. But when one incident comes up, you all skip from one thing in your head back to "Gun must have scammed". So I don't care anymore about how you view me. Yes, i have scammed in the past, ive put that in my pardon, ive laid all the cards out on the table for the entire sythe community to judge me. But I will not accept being mistreated simply because of my past, and have my money fucked around with just because you want to take "the word" of another individual.

So in all, im still waiting for some sort of proof as to where the proof is that i owe anyone anything.

Even better yet, ill go as far as to say proof of a rule that if you are ddosed, even regardless of the outcome, that it warrants a refund. Because it doesn't exist. You'll see clearly the screenshots i provided depict no rules regarding such. g'day.

 

Regardless of Chris and I saying on teamspeak that it wasn't a refund, that is still overruled by Soul Rich's judgement, he is the owner of the clan, and he makes all final decisions, like I specified when we agreed to the terms of you renting my rank, you would refund when you are required to, and you didn't follow that rule.
I've never said that you scammed the bet either, but it is very clear that the only reasonable outcome that we can deduce is that you either scammed or your computer was compromised.

 

So I am still just reading a bunch of things that are directly word of mouth. The refund policy also is not in the rules of the fc or the Refund Rules, thus, you reacting to his request is your own decision, which yet again does not fall on my shoulders.

Still waiting for a Mod to chime in, seeing as there is zero proof of anything other than word-of-mouth accusations. So tell me where anything viable is, i would love to see it.

Currently the only thing that is revolving around my name is the fact im still waiting on my refund from Pie Overlord, which WolfRunescape has in his possession. With that said, yet again, nothing has been provided. And payment was Wolf was intentionally made without my knowledge. Everyone involved in this also intentionally snaked their way around me to try and get the $. So ill either be expecting a TB, or refund in a timely manner.

 

Going to posting Soul Rich's for simplicity and because he is a partial owner of stake of w54. His resp:

Now for my personal response in addition to Soul Rich's:

In addition to what Soul Rich said, I would like to add on and say that Gun has told me TWICE that he would pay back the 165m he owed me, but had random excuses for that (I'll show a screeny of this when I'm home from school and able to) so Gun was accepting the fact he owed 165m to me/wolf until he actually lost money (pie returned our money to wolf), as soon as he actually was forced to pay back, he started complaining and making a huge thing about it. This not only shows that he owes us (wolf/myself) 165m - (15 *8.5, valuing 07 at 8.5:1 rate which is very high), so 37.5m rs3 more, but he is trying to wiggle out of paying us again and trying to get free money.

That's all for now, the proofs of Gun admitting he owes me the 165m Rs3 will be uploaded as soon as I'm home from school.

Edit:

Here are the pics of Gun confirming he owes the 165m to me (and therefore wolf too):
http://gyazo.com/3406c434f74c37b346d8bb26d74db37d
http://gyazo.com/51c7d708b6f06462800de04d2262e188

 

@ Soul Rich, seeing as you want to crop the one picture where you THINK you have some piece of info that picks me out of this whole situation, ill go ahead and post the entire log.

@Drento/Other mods. SR = Blue shading Gun = clear/opaque shading
http://gyazo.com/0935bb70d3d5dac86807f0352e0b5a2b
http://gyazo.com/9d7ec591c15ec989ff6648f1cdba0944
http://gyazo.com/9f939a77da3b8137e9a4d86d9d3415b4
http://gyazo.com/924c2fa0f5e996b821a1ce23ed031538
http://gyazo.com/158a9b4a96f5b554db16e8b6c9745ddc
http://gyazo.com/992ad67836f6fa4436e85370a6fd9f07
http://gyazo.com/9b27e87f4ad01de3a78338a0d03fd315
http://gyazo.com/84d0c15c4ce662a3b4247bb765560b1d
http://gyazo.com/d17d40bfe28f1042c1a18970c7520090
http://gyazo.com/9a72a4473826231299d5659018a937b0
http://gyazo.com/f08f41e9d0780cbae0b6434fdf0d3367
http://gyazo.com/75ee4b526611dcc400d19d6aa9808ef9
http://gyazo.com/f8cfdef3cff5de5196f548326ee2fc6a
http://gyazo.com/02ef3e9a7492461d49df245ad8638254
http://gyazo.com/57119640c17868e4a1f94a9af1691ad8
http://gyazo.com/1c7f025cfb1dcc17041f10604150dd3d
http://gyazo.com/f3793165e9034519f02a0f5bcd660ef2
http://gyazo.com/3bc1fb465e1e4402d1a2679d40274099
http://gyazo.com/0e710****b386032b71da2aed6efc502
http://gyazo.com/0e9a8a724ca13cb5835db3064d88ae77
http://gyazo.com/447dfdfc1bcc65ab06ed2c2d04d9864a
http://gyazo.com/c806e5a13128bd2ce9c33a3ee40469c8
http://gyazo.com/649815dff34c8da7ab95604632fa2796

 

Please read before posting. I clearly stated those pictures show the points at which you didn't answer my question, the question that proves MEP/Farcast and others were not responsible, but only you were, and that left 2 options that your computer was compromised or you faked your own hack. But you don't want to answer this question simply because it removes everyone out of the equation but you, and of-course that would be detrimental to your case as the only suspect would be: You! Now you wouldn't want that to be the case would you as that would ruin your chances of coming back to sythe as you said you want to post a pardon and get back into trading on sythe, and you would have no chance at getting a refund, so yea, you better not answer the question then m8.

I have no idea what this 'cropped picture' business is about, there is nothing to crop, you are once again wasting peoples times, posting pointless things that lead to a complete different tangent. My guess is you are talking about this picture: http://gyazo.com/9b27e87f4ad01de3a78338a0d03fd315
where I say what I think happened. I already told you thats my own point of view, and I don't understand why you think I would be wanting to crop that out of pictures, which I had no reason to post anyway LOL.

Stop trying to hide from the truth. You dug yourself deep into the situation, now you are trying too hard to defend yourself. I hope he gets auto-denied all requests to be unbanned after this/all his pardons. He has a history of scamming and being a compulsive lier, which I have now learnt, and that history has not changed.

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Why do I think Gun faked his own hack, and scammed 1.2B+?
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You may have honestly been DDOSED, or you faked a DDOS. A host + bettors say you won the stake, as they were watching the stake from the arena itself, LIVE, and I can't imagine every single bettor being a compulsive lier such as yourself, neither can I see a host lying also. With that in mind, I think when you manage to log back on, you see that you won the stake as your money pouch is at 1.2B. You realise that your stream is offline, so there would be no proof of a win/loss, and you can easily transfer the cash and say there was nothing on the account when you logged in, and claim you were hacked. And it would be reasonable as multiple people have access to the account, so you can say anyone could have done it. You literally thought you had the perfect opportunity to scam, and no-one can ever know it was you as there is no proof.

You then go on to blame MEP/Farcast etc as being the ones who hacked you. A few hours later, you say you were ddosed and hacked once again on your 07 account, which only you know the credentials to. This shows it is only you responsible, so you had something like a virus on your computer, or you faked your own hack. You tell us that you have done multiple virus scans, and you haven't downloaded anything suspicious, and its a brand new computer, so you pretty much talked yourself out of the fact that it could have been a virus on your computer, leaving the only option as you faked your own hack.

Detective minirank pls.


== TLDR: ==

Basically what I am trying to show is:
1) Gun almost certainly scammed the 1.2b+ and blamed it on the 'hacker', whoever it may be. He refuses to answer a question that removes anyone else besides Gun as being possible suspects as to who hacked the account. He knows if he answers it, the finger can only point at him for 'hacking' the account. Guessing he's taking some time to think of a reasonable comeback/answer.
2) We concluded that Gun has to refund at-least the bets as there is no proof of win, neither proof of loss. He did not pay, so Wolf/MEP paid for him, as it was Wolfs rank and MEPs account.
3) Gun owes MEP/Wolf 165M each for the refund, and from my understanding this 30M 07 that was owed to Gun, was paid directly to Wolf/MEP, as Gun owed them cash from the refund, and now Gun is claiming that he does not owe anyone cash, and that the 30M should have gone directly to him, and now he feels as if he has been scammed, and HE is owed money, which this post hopefully shows he is not.

REPLY TO THE POST BELOW ME
I am fully aware you paid out 1.77B pot, I am fully aware you paid out 10 other 1B+ pots that day, but you didn't have an opportunity to scam and get away with it, on any of those. You had a CLEAR opportunity to scam for the 1.1B as there would be no proof via stream video as you were DDOSED, so your stream went off, multiple people had access to account so you can blame any of them, and there would be no way of knowing it was you.

You said yourself to post on the thread and not Skype, so here you are, answer this question for me:

1) Were you hacked+ddosed on 07 afterwards on a different account than the one MEP gave you?

 

I'm at work til 10pm est so I can't provide links, screened etc til I'm back @ my laptop at that time.

But just to reply to SR. I paid out 10 1b+ pots that evening, including a 1.77b. 1.2b would not tempt me to lose the potential of 4b+ a week. Plus I had worked so ducking hard just to get to that point, and to actually have all of them treat me as an equal. So stop reporting the same shit over and over. Especially when you haven't posted a luck of proof or anything even close to it. All you're doing is attacking me on a personal level like an infant, just due to my past. Some people know what I gave up just to get my life in order and to come back on sythe. So the things you're saying are just going to influence them because I know how easily some of these mods are influenced. I also can count at least 2 mods who will be biased in this decision just because they deal with the other individuals involved. That being said, I'll chime in again when a mod cares to post

I've waited 6-7 days just to get an answer before I posted this thread. So bare with me for a few hours while I'm at work.

 

Posting to verify Soul Rich's assessment of the situation at hand. Gun is widely known as a serial scammer and compulsive liar. I can personally confirm that I have heard him gloat on Teamspeak about his scams, others can tell you the same thing.

I've viewed every screenshot, and the "proof" that has been posted on the thread so far by Gun is really a bunch of non-evidence. It was an oversight for them to allow Gun into the clan knowing his past, but, honestly, nothing adds up on his end. It's fairly evident that this was staged. He was conveniently disconnected in the middle of the stake (which can easily be faked, for one.) And then, he claims he was also conveniently hacked at the same time (also very easily faked, plus he has no evidence of him logging back into his account and having no gold.) The odds of both of these things happening right when he gets a big stake are virtually zero -- especially considering this user's ongoing lying and scamming behavior.

 

Just added the pics of Gun confirming he owes me 165m Rs3 (and therefore wolf) with these 2 screenshots:

http://gyazo.com/3406c434f74c37b346d8bb26d74db37d
http://gyazo.com/51c7d708b6f06462800de04d2262e188

Gun seemed like he was going to pay me/wolf back but kept making up excuses, and then he actually is forced to pay back (pie taking the 30m from Gun) he tries to claim he doesn't owe us anything. Amazing how he changed that fast.

 

You are all going off on tangents not related to what is going on. I need to make this short and simple for everyone apparently.

• No proof of a win was shown. Thus, we are not liable in the first place. Any of us.
• If you believe we are anyway, just to be courteous to bettors, then it would have been in the rules and refund policy.
• what I choose to do with my money is my choice, no one else's. I offered to repay the entire 1b if proof was found of a win. It never was. Not that I've made an indefinite choice yet, but if I so chose to give you guys $ out of pity about the situation, that's not me OWING you money. That's me doing the same thing you guys did with pitying the bettors.
• so let's be clear here. I don't OWE anyone anything. If this was a refund rule, it's not listed on the rules or refund policy at all, and would still require proof of a win. Because with getting ddosed in a boxing fight with 100 hp left, the account would remain ingame until someone won or lost.
• regardless of the entire situation, I was scammed, a refund was given of MY money to someone I have no debt to, and was done so without discussing it with me. I had to harp the mod for 8 hours just to find out what happened with my $.
•so now, let's connect the dots. No rule governing this in the FC. No proof of a win provided. No legitimate reason that I owe them money.
• if I felt like giving them money down the road out of pity, that's my own doing. Them refunding on a pot with no proof of a win, and no refund policy in the first ace was their own decision out of the kindness in their heart, you can't put that on me.

 

If you truly felt like you didn't owe money why did you say you'd pay it back to me twice?

 

Let me reiterate something that I have been pointing out the entire time, since you can't seem to comprehend or understand it.

By using/hosting on my rank in the friends chat you are required to follow the commands and requests of the owners of the friends chat. It doesn't matter if your scenario was covered in the hosting rules channel or not, the admins/owners have overruling say in any matter like this, and if you can't follow their wishes, then you can't be a rank in the clan. At the end of the day the admin's word trumps yours.

When we discussed the terms of you using my rank, I made sure to make a demand that you would follow all of the clan rules, (listening to admins is one of them) and that you would refund if required to, which you happily agreed to.

If Soul Rich said you need to refund, then it is your job/responsibility to refund all of the betters. Just like in a real-life job/sythe the upper authority and staff members have the final say in the matter.

 

Well since we want to be childish and continue to try to point out minor technicalities, ill say this.

- I was never contacted to submit a refund.
- You yourself said there was no refund due, and that you refunded just the bet because you felt bad.
- You all did this simply out of the kindness of your heart, it was not a rule, and was not on my shoulders.
- You could say anything you want, but just because you CHOOSE to do something, doesn't make it my liability. You doing something out of good will does not transfer onto me.

The latest post i made, not this one, provides the overview of this thread. That entails everything needed. So its free for a mod to come in with an opinion now. Because you guys are still running around in circles about irrelevant shit just to try to catch me on a technicality. When in reality, everything you keep saying is just a judgement on me as a person, and things not relevant to this.

G'day.

 

Why are you failing to answer the question that I asked you multiple times on Skype (but you would answer any other question, besides this)?

I know why. You're not answering the question because it literally shows you are the only person responsible for the hack + DDOS, and leads to the point you most likely faked the hack + scammed the 1.2B.

If you answer yes: Then you somehow managed to get a virus on your brand new computer which you claim to have not downloaded anything on, nor did you find anything via a virus scan, or you faked the hack and scammed the 1.2b.
If you answer no: You are lying, as you yourself told me that you were hacked on 07 afterwards the same day, on a different account to what MrEvilPwns gave you, which only you knew the login details to.

So please, in your next reply, answer this question. You are saying this is going on a different tangent, but it's not in any way, this is showing that you have outstanding debts to Wolf+MEP which you had to pay, AND showing you scammed the 1.2B.

Let me state the question in its expanded form, once again, so you understand:

Were you hacked on your 07 account, which only you had the login details to, after the account MrEvilPwns lent you to host with was hacked? And for the hack you blame everyone who had access to the account (MrEvilPwns, Farcast etc), as who you think hacked you.

Does this not reduce the possibilities down to only 2 things?
1) You had a virus/keylogger on your brand new computer, which hacked you during the few minutes you were not online, right when this 'ddos attack' happened?
So the person that controlled the virus/keylogger hacked you within the few minutes you were offline, as-well as having DDOSED you, and took the cash from your account, whilst you had a substantially larger pot than average? Seems TOTALLY legit.
2) You faked the hack and scammed the 1200M yourself, which obviously you're never going to admit to.

It makes NO SENSE why you would accuse MrEvilPwns, Farcast and others who had access to one out of the two accounts that were hacked, as being the ones that hacked you, when YOU YOURSELF said that you were hacked on your own account on 07 afterwards, on the same day, clearly showing that you somehow had virus on your computer, or you were making up bullshit about being hacked on 07, to cover up the 1.2B you had just scammed, as you realised that you were accusing highly trusted members as being the ones that hacked you, which would not seem reasonable to anyone, and would only leave the finger pointing at you as being the one responsible for the hack. So you say you were hacked on 07, to make it seem like you have a virus/keylogger on your computer, and before saying that you tell us you did multiple virus scans, you said its a brand new computer so it can't have a virus, you say you haven't downloaded anything, you basically remove the possibility of you having a virus yourself, as at that time you put the blame on MEP/Farcast etc.

Even though it is a small amount, I see no point in Gun even attempting to reclaim the 30M given to Wolf, EVERYTHING points at him having stolen the 1.2B+ itself anyway for which Wolf/MEP refunded. All this attempt from him has resulted in is showing that he isn't as legit as he says he is, and that he should NEVER be pardoned on sythe. Gun acts like he's smart, and he knows what he's talking about, and his attempt to cover up his scam has miserably failed.


I have just talked to Gun on TeamSpeak. He says he WONT answer the question as it is ''irrelevant'' although it proves he scammed the 1.2B. He says he won't answer it unless a moderator asks him to answer it, so requesting any moderator to copy/paste this and post on the thread, as he will not answer if I am posting it, for some strange reason:

Were you hacked on your 07 account, which only you had the login details to, after the account MrEvilPwns lent you to host with was hacked?


Thank you Drento.

 

Your first statement, saying you were never contacted to submit a refund is a lie, as you told me you would pay me/wolf twice long before pie returned the 30m 07 to me/wolf. Also, after thinking about the situation more, I forgot you owe me and wolf 25% of the profits you made hosting which is 500m, so you owe us each 125m Rs3 more.

 

This needs to be answered.