I need the opinion of a mod

Hey, a rank in my server may or may not be responsible for a 245m 07 refund, but I would like the opinion of a mod or admin (because some people may think I'm biased, this is the only way I can think that shows I am not biased).

I have asked the two people involved for the perspective on what has happened.

What rudy said:


rudyToday at 12:20 PM
So, a host got scammed with 245m to an impostor. He didn't confirmed it was me in chat, when i was sending him 10x it wasn't me, and he should not accept the trade, but he did. Afterwards, he admits he fucked up and i quote what he said "i fucked up, that's why i'm REFUNDING it". So he got scammed but he was going to refund it so at that point i was okay with it. He puts stream off. he refunded everybody, even a guy that didn't asked it in chat. he said he asked him private but then again, no confirmation in chat, so he is lying or he didn't learn about the scam 5 sec's before . time goes bye, and he said "going in", at that point i thought he was going to refund me, but apparently he went in a stake with the 245m, i didn't saw his stream whatsoever, it could be on my side that i couldn't see the stream, but its still something to consider. from my perspective he could stake a friend and let him win, or didn't do the stake at all. he never sensed me a clip after. at my point of view, a refund is not the same as a redo. i didn't trusted my gold with him anymore, his excuse was that the odds didn't changed. i agree, the odds didn't change, but after a scam i was done for a sec, i didn't trusted him with my gold. like, why didn't he confirmed at that point in chat. That's a rule. He normally always asks for a confirm, but now he did not. whatever u decide, I accept the outcome either way. Thank you for taking your time to read this, Happy holidays.

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Yes heads point of view:


This is my statement: The incident which occurred on the 16th November 2020, I was the victim of a scam. I lost money. The bettor placed a bet on me, I went to do the stake, an impostor messaged me privately stating that he wanted a refund. In my error, I complied. This was my mistake. The better did tried to warn me that it was not him in the trade but as I was on mobile, I missed it. This was my fault, I accept that. However, I managed to borrow money from my friends to cover the loss and continue with the stake as it should have done in the first place. The fact that I got scammed has ZERO impact on the outcome of the stake which would’ve been done anyways. The better Jaimy whom was in the pot, asked for a refund in 07 public chat, which I complied with. The other better Beast asked for a refund in private, again I complied with this. The bettor Geile rudy did not say anything about wanting his money back (in 07 public nor in private) and the stake was performed. He had enough time (3-5mins) to message me in public or in private to refund his money, he was active in the chat and even saw that that I was looking for a stake. Proof of this stake losing can been seen on the clip : Twitch
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[6:29 PM]
I am not a mind reader, I cannot ‘assume’ what the bettor wants without him specifically telling me. This statement is confirmed by the Discord owner 5wap (Screenshot). Geile rudy and DJ (manager of ER) entire argument lies in my wording. Please provide proof of the better asking for a refund from the time I got scammed, till after I finished the stake for him. If you really want to be picky about it. You should read the entire conversation before nick picking things I’ve said: Screenshot
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[6:29 PM]
I was referring to refunding the bettor Jaimy and beast (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/763761388534497391/792054258333515776/unknown.png) whom specifically asked to be returned his money. If you can prove otherwise that I wasn’t referring to him, then please prove it.
[6:29 PM]
Overall, regarding the scamming incident I made an error in judgement by not confirming with the bettor in public chat. Apart from that, I did nothing wrong. I proceeded with the stake as originally planned with the bettor. It is the bettor’s responsibility to write that he wants a refund, not mine. As previously stated, I cannot read minds. I followed all the procedures and didn’t break any of the staking discord rules regarding this.
[6:29 PM]
The pot : Screenshot Screenshots of the entire conversation in public: 1) Screenshot
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Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated, if it determined that yes head has to refund the 245 then either he will or, if he refuses I will. If it is determined that yes head is in the right then Rudy claims that he is ok with that outcome.

I'm simply looking for an unbiased point of view on this, any input is grearly appreciated, thanks.

 

yes heads response


no no no, these are separate issues. The reason i lost my rank was DJ accusing me of making another discord. YOU yourself claimed that it was insufficient evidence to prove his claim. Hence i should have my rank returned for that matter. This has been solved unless you can give me a reason why. DJ has slandered me, yet I'm the one facing the consequences. What about him? He doesn't have to face any consequence. I'm the one who loses out, i lost a 2k rank, i lose income from not hosting especially during this gauntlet event . Second issue is the bank issue, This has been solved. The police and bank have concluded that i was not a scammer and i was victim. How was i meant to know that the person who was buying gp was scamming someone? This issue is separate from the rank issue and should have no effect on whether i get my rank back. You can ask the other hosts about my character if you think i'd scam someone. The final issue regarding the refund, i have not broken any rules. You cannot expect me to magically know that the bettor wants the money back without typing it in chat. Do you truly believe that i will fabricate my stream and the clip. Check the chat, there are people confirming that the stream was up. The reason why there is no video on my twitch is because twitch only stores vods for 14 days unless you are a partner,turbo or prime user. Him claiming that i staked my friend and let him win is simply false. Look at the clip, please clarify how i let him win, what did i do different in a stake that would let him win. Plus can he prove that i staked a friend. This is You can clearly see the time, date and year in the clip at 56 seconds. Cross reference that with discord chat and compare the hits that i've written with what you see.
[10:49 PM]

[10:50 PM]
Translated : Automatically save broadcasts for up to 14 days (60 days for Partners, Turbo and Prime users)

 

I refunded the other people on stream and only turned it off AFTER to get a loan from a friend. He didn't want to be on stream. This is a common practise, as the cashiers (5wap workers, discord order,) turn off their stream when cashing people to protect their identity. The stake was done on stream, which is supported by the guys in the discord chat. This could easily have been proven if the issue was brought forward earlier as you would have been able to check with the twitch vod. As previously stated Twitch removes the vods after a certain time period, this is not my fault. The stream was back up BEFORE going into the stake, approximately 1-2 minutes before (around the time I typed "looking" in chat). If they refreshed the stream, they would have been able to see my stream.