Life has no logical purpose

Hm thats a good question, unfortunately I can't quite give an opinion on that because it would be the same as I stated because I would have to say our existence is our human lives going along with what I explained above.

The way I figure it, for us to have a purpose outside of our own specific lives then there would need to be a higher power (interesting how we moved back to the original topic lol) but since there is no higher power (in my opinion really don't feel like starting a religion debate with anyone because well they're ridiculous to talk to if they're not logical.) then we would have to assume that on a concsious level we are the highest power we know to exist. Bringing us back to my original statement.

 

The meaning of life/existence is simple, as explained by Sythe:

Feel free to read the entire post. There is not a need for a higher being.

 

Not saying there needs to be all I'm saying is that if there isn't then we are the highest plane of purpose we know.

1.) What if someone doesn't want life and commits suicide? Then life is not their meaning it is death. Not only that but were not talking about one life were talking about all.

2.) If there is no higher being then we are the higher being through causality thus making this just a state of "being" which is just obvious.

 

I believe that we create the purpose of our own existence. I don't want to start a religious debate either, but I kinda believe that our life is only worth as much as we think it is. For example, someone who doesn't believe in a higher power and thinks their life is pointless may not have the motivation to accomplish anything in life, thus creating a self-fulfulling prophecy. In contrast, someone who believes that they were placed on this world for a purpose could have the motivation to accomplish much. Whether or not there ends up being a higher power in the end, their life has been more significant than the other person's. I try to live like this, because I think that, whether or not there is a "God," the world will be better off in some small way if I live up to my supposed potential.

 

Heres a situation:

Man wants to commit suicide, he goes to shoot himself, the bullet bounces off a wall and hits two chemical beakers (he's obviously a scientist duh lol) these two chemicals make the cure for idk...aids,cancer,downsyndrome, and ugly.
However this man still wants to kill himself because he believes life is worthless, yet he had accomplished much.

Or a man has the motivation and believes his life is worth much, yet life has decided to give him every single bad pitch and he still lives out on the streets.

The only problem with your analogy is it doesn't account for the entropy of the universe.

 

Death is an inevitability to life. Death contradicts life. For if the purpose of life is death, then why is there life to begin with? Life = existence, Death is the opposite. If death is the main point, what is the significance in existence?

My brain is full of fuck.

 

Sorry, what I meant my comment to say was that the purpose of life means more to the person in question. I think I started off with that idea in mind but then kinda branched out.

What it was meant to say was, life will mean the same to this scientist guy whether or not he discovers the cure for cancer, as you've said. Thus, the significance of life can't be measured by one's impact on others, because some people simply don't care about others. However, with the people in your analogy, one thing is consistent. Their outlook on life remains the same no matter what; and that is my point. Their outlook on life determines their, well, outlook on life (obvious, right?).
So, for the first guy, if he thinks life is so insignificant that he doesn't want to live anymore, then finding the cure for cancer wouldn't mean much to him. Just in the same way as the second guy, who works his whole life and has bad luck, will never lose his outlook on life.

Now, I know that doesn't make sense. Because I know if I dropped a billion dollars accidently down the drain, I would be pretty miserable. And I know if a depressed hobo found that billion dollars, he'd be pretty overjoyed.

But I'm not talking about somebody's mood, or their current emotional state. I'm talking about their overall outlook on life. I'm talking about a person (person #1) who no matter the circumstances, billionaire or hobo, would think that life simply has no purpose, and person #2, who, in the same circumstance, would think he should still strive to fulfill his calling and make something of himself.
Person #1 and Person #2 will both always see life that way. If they choose to believe that their lives have or don't have a purpose, this will determine their outlook on life.

I know this whole thing has been rather rambling and circular, but, the point I'm really trying to make is (TL;DR) that: We decide how significant life is to us.
So, really, you and the OP are kind of digging yourselves into a hole. In truth, it really is up to either of us to say whether life has a purpose or not. But by deciding that it doesn't, you're preventing yourself from ever creating a purpose for yourself.

 

What makes you think human logic has the power to interpret the purpose of life and why we were created?

 

good point

 

One might say that your purpose is to recreate. Failing that, your purpose is whatever you want it to be.

 

For this sort of thing, the more you think about it, the more you get mindfucked. There will be no way of telling how we where actually created, how matter was created. To all the religious people out there, I'm not trying to put you down but if god created everything then who/what created god? Your mind goes around and around in circles.

 

Read my above post. It is not up to humans to understand these types of things. There is no way to 'prove' them because some things are not meant to be proven. I don't understand why people think God had to be created by something. You have to understand that everything started from somewhere and that somewhere is God.

 

Ok Mr. Spock, you say life has no purpose?

Well--make one.

 

:huh:

Your post is speculation based on opinion. A biased opinion. You're using the same logic that a lot of theists use to condemn atheists. Why is it that everything can come from God, but God does not have to come from anything? Yet the big bang is always criticized for not being able to explain what happened before it? The logic does not work both ways. I'm not saying you're necessarily the person to do this type of thing, but I have seen it in the majority of theists and so I raise the question to you.

 

agree 100%.

i believe everything we possibly know,think, feel, believe, etc is a creation of the human mind. In death, the human mind becomes obsolete and therefore nothing exists...or at least its impossible for anyone to know. Therefore I am a strong believer that there is no purpose to life.

 

This IS a foolish or unintellectual response... and actually offensive.

1.Good job supporting the idea that people should not even think for themselves.

2. Thank you for telling me that when I sit and indulge in critical thinking that I am wasting my time

3. "things that will change nothing at all." First of all a thread like this has the possibility of providing readers with a change in their thought process and could be a potential gain to their arsenal of knowledge. Second of all, with that way of thinking, 99% of posts on sythe will change nothing at all. Should I post that now on every thread i see? It really changes nothing more or less than anything else. We WILL all die. Nothing can change that. The only difference is that your telling me that what i am doing before i die is a waste of my time.

4. I usually side with you and respect your stance on 99% of things. Not this. Its kind of disappointing.

5. also just because you opened with "This is not a foolish or unintellectual response" does not make it so.

6. thanks.

 

this is why you were the only one to respond to him.

here, ppl usually dont respond to his kind of bullshit, they just report it.
terrible how we can't do that to Finn.

Finn saying " This is not a foolish or unintellectual response" is like a racist person opening a line with, "well i'm not racist in any way, but...."
you just know something bad and hypocritical is going to follow.

life has no purpose other than the purpose you create.


PS.
this is one of the few times Finn enters this section. I feel he was a little apprehensive after his multiculturalism thread got torn apart.

 

If people had that mindset that things won't change so don't bother thinking about it..well we would still be stuck in the stone age.

 

Existence is an all encompassing idea, life and death are held in this. Relate this to time, space and matter. Three different entities that are all intertwined with one another.
It's like this, matter is the medium here. Without matter space and time would be pointless they would be two planes on which nothing would happen because there is nothing to happen. Add matter and the purpose of these two planes comes into play.
Space-Matter-Time
This is how it plays out, space plays the first part it is the beginning, then comes matter bringing in the medium needed for both planes to interact, then when the interaction between space and matter happens, there arises time. (Used as the measuring tool between the space and matter entities)

The meaning of the beginning necessity is the end result. The meaning to both beginning and end entities are the resulting medium, and the meaning to the final entity is to be the end result.

So why can't it be seen like this:
Life-Existence-Death

The meaning to life is death, the meaning to existence is life and death.

I hope this made sense I tried wording it the best I could.

Because we are the highest beings we know of, our logic must have the ability to determine our own purpose. If there is a higher being hen the very existence of them will default our logic. But until then our ability to design our purpose is true.

This is a foolish and very unintellectual response. By saying that this conversation will change nothing you are implying that any other useful discussion on sythe changes something? Well I fail to see that and even if that does happen how wouldn't this change someones way of thinking? They're logical process will now be tuned to taking in these arguments and these reasonings to be able to better refute them or even implement them into their own arguments.

Sort of correct, logic is the human minds interpretation of an idea we can't write down or say. Kind of like math, we know how important pi is to us yet we can only express it in terms of mathematics, just like with logic, logic proves the falsehood of fallacies with our own human interpretation because the cosmological way of proving them is not in our ability to convey.

 

The only thing I can think of for the Logical purpose of life is human instinct which is the live. We live because it is programmed into us from the moment of conception. Our number 1 priority in life is to live. We can kill, get food, water, shelter and more to fulfill that goal.