KMJT scammed me 20M!

[Unregistered 9th RS]

Hey. It's 9th RS... I still haven't been unbanned (http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1480202) so Ryan told me to post this report here.

Basically what happened is I purchased the lowest rank in KMJT's friend chat "Play Dyce" for 20M. Yesterday, when I was wrongfully banned, he temporarily deranked me in his friend chat until everything was cleared up. An hour or two ago I linked him to the thread where Ryan requested an unban and he didn't give me back my rank nor was he going to refund me. He terminated my rank in his friend chat permanently when I didn't scam or anything.

Proof:
http://gyazo.com/bfede24e00583fecaa882d14fc13a4e4
http://gyazo.com/5a2f5f981b4ad112fe07337735eb1a41 http://gyazo.com/b8eaefe66aaa15af2969483ad6ccd3f6
http://gyazo.com/78c8e06b42639784abe88ed86f9c018e
http://gyazo.com/427e39e18facb2164aae0f6b6aed51e0
http://gyazo.com/553771f35474cb17dda80ba438e59c48
http://gyazo.com/c2e8b9eae45ed44551609e085ecf95a9
http://gyazo.com/d48b03aeca53f0bd79ac7f12cfc35c4c
http://gyazo.com/c4a556308cbd317464a0d956439da2eb

 

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From KMJT:

' KMJT Black says (1:31 AM)
failing to pay out a customer = scamming in the customer eye, would have looked really bad on my fc if another host wasnt on to catch it
who knows if he would have actually paid it when he came back
that host confronted him
' Video from Sythe says (1:31 AM)
he's saying you only fired him because he was banned
' KMJT Black says (1:31 AM)
that did lead to the derank
' KMJT Black says (1:32 AM)
then i found out about his reason for not paying out customer
i would have accepted dc
not falling asleep
i have trouble believing he could plant a flower then all of a sudden be asleep

KMJT's saying that 9th's ban led to his derank, but the termination came when he learned that 9th fell asleep in the middle of hosting a bet, logged off before paying, and another host had to cover for him.

9th RS has also made back more than 20m since he started hosting:

http://i46.tinypic.com/4jw869.png

I personally think that the cause for termination is legitimate although I'm unsure if KMJT needs to refund the buy in. I think the fact that 9th rs made back more than the 20m would mean that KMJT doesn't necessarily have to give back the 20m, but maybe it's irrelevant.

It does NOT help your case that you've been purposely trying to sabotage their hosts and spamming that they scammed you 20m:

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4944/121016234820.png

In summary, I think the termination is reasonable, 9th rs made more than 20m hosting, and since his firing, he's been very disruptive to the clan. I do not think KMJT owes him anything

 

I don't think he owes you anything either. Look at the bigger clans such as Dragon Dyce and many others, if you're banned on a forum, you lose your rank (AFAIK).

Besides that, you also accuse your own dice clan of scamming, when in fact it was you who fell asleep during a bet and essentially scammed until it was paid back.

I'm with Video on this one, KMJT shouldn't owe you anything and you don't necessarily deserve the rank again.

 

[9th RS]

This thread is in regards to http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1480566.

I was wrongfully banned on Sythe in the first place so termination of rank shouldn't have happened. KMJT stated that once everything was sorted out with the ban I would receive my rank bank.

I'm not hiding that I fell asleep on a FREE 200k pot. It's free. No way I can scam. Furthermore, Kloono, a friendly host in FC, decided to pay the guy back. Kloono told me when I got on a little later and I instantly paid him back. Sure this was unprofessional, but no harm was done.

Proof: http://gyazo.com/5a2f5f981b4ad112fe07337735eb1a41

Apparently KMJT doesn't want to show full screenshots. I'm currently down around 25M from hosting in Play Dyce. The only reason I still have more RSGP than I started with is because I was flipping RSGP on Sythe before I was banned.

Proof: http://gyazo.com/20a44b043d359010ca384f628f0a306e

The reason he terminated my rank was because he didn't feel like I was trustworthy enough to hold 20M pots. Why the hell not? I paid a buy-in of 20M so if anything would happen the money would be paid back. On top of that I've been trusted with 20M pots in his friend chat already. He's making up silly excuses.

Proof: http://gyazo.com/78c8e06b42639784abe88ed86f9c018e

Need anything else? Just tell me.

I don't think it's fair that because I am sabotaging him I shouldn't receive a refund. He did indeed scam me as I didn't break any of his rules provided on playdyce.com. If I fell asleep on a 20M pot then it would be a serious problem, but I didn't and never would. Even then I would pay the guy back without a doubt. Let's be rational. It's a free 200k pot and it was paid back. If he doesn't want me to help Play Dyce expand and become better then it's perfectly fine with me, but I'd like the refund.

 

Why would someone "scam" 200k when they've made mills off of Playdyce? After all, he did pay the 200k back. Also, this was a free pot, it's not like the member will lose anything, and it's not like this will increase 9th RS's wealth. There's no way to prove he did fall asleep, but there's no way to prove he didn't. Was there any official guidelines the hosts had to follow, and did you sign any contracts?

 

His response:

I don't have permission to reply to your post, so I decided to just message you. As you stated, there is no logical explanation for me to pay out 20M pots but to run on a 200K FREE pot. I really did fall asleep and I apologized to KMJT for that. In his "hosts" section on his website it stated that I have to follow the game rules and I can't scam. If someone said I didn't pay out a pot and I had no proof of doing so I would have to pay them back. There were no rules that said anything about free 200k pots. KMJT and I agreed that for every 200k free pot I do, I add that person to the list of names, and KMJT would pay me 100K per free 200k pot (win or loss). The guy won and Kloono paid him. I paid Kloono back. Even though it was still money out of my pocket I did not include the free pot in the list of names because I was at fault. It's ridiculous that Video and Dialatic think I'm at fault. Dialatic said I scammed, but how is it possible to scam something that is free?

 

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Regardless of whether or not we consider it a "scam", KMJT had cause to terminate you because you fell asleep on the job.

@Wulf, 9th rs himself said he fell asleep

 

Now we're deciding on whether or not KMJT owes him the money or not.

I know, I had KMJT's reply in my head when I was typing that:

i have trouble believing he could plant a flower then all of a sudden be asleep

 

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Well now he actually has scammed: http://sythe.org/showthread.php?p=11576769&posted=1#post11576769

Pretty sure it's safe to close this, KMJT owes this scumbag nothing