Just to Clarify

24 hours is not a problem.

 

its not about post count, its about unfair bumps that WILL occur, they did in the past, you guys complained.. so we changed the rules and you complain even more.

Whats hard to understand that you're not allowed to say 'thanks, added' or anything thats like that (a one-worded response that was not necessary/could have been done via PM).

 

I do believe that the 24 hour rule is more in favor of big sellers than new sellers.

Big sellers will usually have more posts on their thread from customers and therefor 1 bump per 24 hours is fine. However for a new seller, 1 bump per day won't help alot obviously.

The 8 hour rule will give newer sellers more oppertunity to have their thread in sight (at the top) for potential customers.

 

I'd like to think that the 8 hour rule isn't going nowhere.

 

24 hour rules only benefits big sellers, they get more posts on their threads by other members more often compared to small sellers, 8 hours is a good time limit because it works out roughly that a big seller would still get 2-4 posts within 8 hrs, compared to several more within 24 hrs. its still in favour but its better odds for smaller sellers.

 

How is something unfair when everyone is given the same opportunity? And where are the threads where people have complained about the old rule I have never seen them?

 

Everyone is given the same opportunity right now too, its not about opportunity, its about giving smaller traders a chance to actually get noticed on the first few pages instead of having to wait a whole 24 hrs before they can post.

And I'm not going to dig out old threads, its obvious it was complained about otherwise we wouldn't have changed the rule.

 

I'm just curious to see what kind of sellers are the ones complaining. This rule barely does anything in terms of being on the first page. Following even the current rule, if I wanted to I could be on the first page all day.

And if you are going to keep it as a rule you will actually have to enforce it in other parts of the market, since it is a market rule. As it is it is pretty biased towards specifically people in the gp selling market getting punished, which is completely unfair. Go into any other section of the market and you will see this rule constantly disregarded, probably not even purposely, but because people have no clue what this rule even means. If you are going to enforce this rule get some more market mods to clean out ALL of the sections, don't always rely on us reporting posts.

 

I'm all for giving new people a shot but all of the big sellers were new at one point and were able to compete amongst people who had more vouches, trust, etc. Simply being able to have your thread on the front page isn't what gets you customers. It seems like this rule was implemented without the consent of really anyone on sythe except the mods.

Getting rid of "thanks" and other posts of that style is a great rule on the other hand, I just think that this 8-hour rule doesn't benefit new traders at all. The big traders are the ones who are most active on sythe and most-able to bump their threads anyway, so you're still going to see the big names on the front pages

 

I don't think that's how it's being enforced though. Example is the infraction for this

That's not an unnecessary one word response, it's communication between the seller and buyer. The rule says posting twice in a row within 8 hours is excessive bumping, and that these useless 1 word posts count as bumps. In practice it seems it's being enforced as posting twice at all within 8 hours, unless the mod reviewing it judges the post was absolutely necessary and couldn't have been handled via PM. I think this is pretty poor reasoning, because any aspect of the market other than the seller's first post could be handled by PM.

The other thing is I don't think the current rule can be applied consistently and fairly, it leaves too much to the individual moderator's discretion. I don't think that the above post breaks the current rule and wouldn't have infracted for it; someone else obviously felt different. I think that alone says it's a poor rule. Especially since the penalties for bumping are so (excessively IMO) harsh, there should be no gray area.

 

The above post is an example of something that shouldn't be infracted for. As long as it isn't every hour over and over etc etc

 

Then it is clearly an infraction mistake.. not something to make a thread about to change the rule.

 

The word fair / unfair really has no merit. If we let everyone post thanks, and the such, it is still perfectly fair.

 

well considering they also get posts from a lot of people who are buying from them too, then it still wouldnt be fair.

 

I disagree. It would be a simple infraction mistake if the issuing mod had misread the rule or the post, and the mistake was obvious to anyone reviewing it. But up until now in this thread no one has said that it was a mistake, but rather tried to justify it. Take malaka's post on page 1

If multiple staff members are making the same mistake evaluating a post, it's because there is a problem with the rule. There shouldn't be any debate on whether a particular post is considered a bump and infractable. If not even all staff members are on the same page with what is and isn't allowed, I don't know how anyone can expect users to know.

 

Huh? Everyone still gets more posts... Don't see how it favors one group over another.

 

I think Karl means that big sellers have more people to thank thus the 'more posts'.

 

That's just common sense.

 

Right, so his point (I think) is that since big sellers have more people to thank, they make more posts, thus keeping their thread at the top for longer than little sellers who have less people to thank, and thus, make less posts. That's probably the unfairness Karl's referring to.

 

We are really getting into a debate over post count now? Really, no veteran sellers care AT ALL about post count. This is the GP exchange, not the memberships forum. As Clash said, I'm now 3 infractions deep thanks to that response. I am at risk of actually being banned from Sythe because I was communicating with a customer on my own post.

But as Clash said, the rules right now just aren't descriptive enough. If you want to fix the problem:

- Max 1 post on topic per 8 hours, no exceptions

OR

- No double posting / delete posts within 8 hours (spam rules still apply)

I think option 2 is the best. Up to you guys, but even the mods agree we need more specific rules.