Just because you don't witness god doesn't mean he is not there

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  1. Unread #1 - Jul 18, 2012 at 7:02 PM
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    Just because you don't witness god doesn't mean he is not there

    This is a true convorsation that happened in a class I was in a year or two ago. I quoted it as best I could.


    Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ?

    Student : Yes, sir.

    Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?

    Student : Absolutely, sir.

    Professor : Is GOD good ?

    Student : Sure.

    Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

    (Student was silent.)

    Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor: Is satan good ?

    Student : No.

    Professor: Where does satan come from ?

    Student : From … GOD …

    Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor: So who created evil ?

    (Student did not answer.)

    Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?

    Student : Yes, sir.

    Professor: So, who created them ?

    (Student had no answer.)

    Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?

    Student : No, sir.

    Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?

    Student : No , sir.

    Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?

    Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.

    Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?

    Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

    Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.

    Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

    Professor: Yes.

    Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

    Professor: Yes.

    Student : No, sir. There isn’t.

    (The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)

    Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

    (There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)

    Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

    Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?

    Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

    Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?

    Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

    Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

    Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

    Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

    Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

    Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

    (The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

    Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

    (The class was in uproar.)

    Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?

    (The class broke out into laughter. )

    Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

    (The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

    Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.

    Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.
     
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    Just because you don't witness god doesn't mean he is not there

    So much respect for that kid.
    All I can say...
     
  5. Unread #3 - Jul 18, 2012 at 7:35 PM
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    Just because you don't witness god doesn't mean he is not there

    Lol props to the kid for an interesting argument, but i still believe all religious people are delusional, harsh but true.
     
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    Just because you don't witness god doesn't mean he is not there

    That kid knows his stuff. Makes me happy to see people like that teacher put in their place.
     
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    Just because you don't witness god doesn't mean he is not there

    That kid has balls, nothing like that ever happens in my school :eek:
     
  11. Unread #6 - Jul 18, 2012 at 8:39 PM
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    Just because you don't witness god doesn't mean he is not there

    The student goes off into a completely irrelevant tangent here. Science can explain a thought and it doesn't involve magnetism (wtf?). Neurons relay signals to each other through action potentials, which are understood and observed by scientists at the molecular level. Honestly, this is something you learn in any Into to Biology class. The daulity and opposites nonsense is just filler; it doesn't validate God's existence in the slightest.

    We have observed the process of evolution at work. Why do you think you need a new flu vaccination every year? Viruses undergo the process of natural selection and the most fit viruses survive the flu and proliferate, and as a result we need a new vaccination the following year.

    If the Professor didn't have a brain, he wouldn't be alive. This argument is completely fallacious; the student is playing Devil's advocate to manipulate the scientific method for his own agenda. You don't need faith to believe that someone has a brain, because there is substantial evidence that all living humans posses a brain while there is not nearly as much (if any) evidence that God exists.


    This dialogue has been posted on numerous websites with slight variations but the central theme has always been about a student reinforcing faith in God. Some even claim that the student was Albert Einstein. Either way, it's obvious that all the versions are fabricated by someone who didn't even bother to research a few elementary principles of biology.
     
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    Just because you don't witness god doesn't mean he is not there

    All of this. This was not a conversation that you had in your class.
     
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    Just because you don't witness god doesn't mean he is not there

    This is as old as the internet, and it just pushes toward the ignorance of the professor, it still shows nothing, anyone who knew about heat and the meaning of cold would have answered another way thus this whole thing is just jibberish. I could make up a story about a giant spaghetti monster and then make someone out to be a dumbass after they insult my thought, it doesn't make the spaghetti monster real or my story true. using logic and the science we have found to be true, there is no god by those standards.
     
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    Just because you don't witness god doesn't mean he is not there

    This is not true nor did it happen at your school.
     
  19. Unread #10 - Jul 19, 2012 at 5:31 AM
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    Just because you don't witness god doesn't mean he is not there

    Nor is this SFA material.
     
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