Jagex Loves Money, They Won't Nuke All The Bots.

I think also that they dont ban accounts.

 

Absolutely. Mod Mark mentioned in Runefest that they were removing the bots because they said it destroys the game. They said that if they were commercial, then they would instead leave it and tax on it. But it seems, with the implementation of the SoF and Runecoins, that they are slowly but surely becoming a commercial company and I would guess that they have gotten softer on bots. U mad legit players?

 

Everyone knows that the company was acquired by an investment company in December 2010 right? All they care about is turning the largest profit they can.

 

i really doubt that, i just think they want money and they're getting tons of it from bots. that's my opinion.

 

Like SuF said, there was a new American venture company who bought the controlling stake of the company, a fair few Jagex mods don't particularly like the updates coming out, but they have to keep their mouths shut unless they want to lose thier jobs

 

YOU never had any problem with bots. Maybe you would've seen what's wrong if you had done something outside pvp (slayer for example).

I've been playing for 5 years (not as much as you claim to be playing for), which means that I've seen at least a couple of thousand people ingame. And, personally, you're the first guy I've seen that only PKs. Every other player I've met has done something at some point that has been affected by botting, in a bad way.

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For that reason, they will release a bot nuke, even if they take ages to. They have to keep some of the legit players to use that MT crap they introduced in the game, don't they?

 

Jagex's hunger for money is getting out of hand. They are dependant on bots paying for membership and pumping more gp into the economy. they bring out updates like the new soloman bs to make people think they're doing something for the rs community when they're just doing it for $$$$

 

What I can really say in short about the entire idea of the investors (no matter what company) are in a total state of greed. Money is what makes their world go round.

 

To put it simply, this EXACT argument was put up before the first bot nuke was launched. And guess what, they broke 98% of bots for many many months.

I highly doubt they'd refrain from doing the same exact thing that they did then, especially now that they have all these marketing ploys for more money: SOF spins, Solomon's store, advertising membership and/or SOF at the bottom of literally every game update posted on their homepage, adding "rares" that can only be earned by, guess what, buying spins, et cetera

Basically, Jagex won't care if they break most bots... again... considering that most of them are f2p as it turns out. They will have ways of replacing that revenue with other ways of making money.

 

they're not going to break bots even if you were right and they do want to break all bots and lose the thousands if not hundreds of thousands (that's most likely the case) they make a year from botted accounts alone.

 

Like I said, that's exactly what people said before the first Bot Nuke, and guess what, they broke 98% of bots.

 

they didn't break 98% of bots, most color bots were up within a very short ammount of time. and injection/reflection bots were back within like 6 months in full swing i'm pretty sure. i think they just want bots under control, not destroyed. botting used to be a perm ban as i understand, now its just a warning ban basically. jagex is different now.

 

I agree with you, Jagex are a business first and foremost and this isn't exactly the best economic climate for them to be operating in. Everyone knows that since the takeover of Jagex by Insight Venture Partners the game has moved towards being much more profit orientated as opposed to actually caring about the community, just look at micro transactions as a prime example, 99% of the player base hate it yet it is still there because it generates extra money.

People fail to see that Insight Venture Partners are a serious private equity and venture capital firm, they have names such as Tumblr, Team Viewer, Twitter and New egg under their portfolio. They will be applying copious amounts of pressure on Jagex to milk this cash cow whilst it is still possible, we all know for a fact that Runescape is far from it's heyday, there is no way that these investors will simply just allow them to cut off a big line of revenue. It's all smokescreens from Jagex from here on out in my opinion.

 

You obviously don't know anything about the last bot nuke...

Before the first bot nuke, color bots consisted of 2% of the bots ingame, and the other 98% were injection and reflection bots. They launched the bot nuke, and guess what, only the color bots were untouched, so yes, if you are even in 1st grade math, they succeeded in breaking 98% of bots at the time. I also never said permanently break either, and neither did Jagex, so start to read properly before you start commenting as you are. Reflection bots haven't returned, but Injection bots have, however it still took 4-6 months or so for it to happen. So, yes, they did break 98% of bots, even if it was only for X time.

Also, I know people who have had bans recently, and most of them were perm bans. It's just that it's not as common as before.

You do realize that Jagex was owned by them BEFORE the first bot nuke, right?

 

Correct, and how effective was the first bot nuke at completely eradicating bots? Not very. I see just as many different bot clients now, if not more than before their nuke. Yes it temporarily knocked some developers back but did it fix the problem? No it did not. My statement was with regard to a permanent halting of bot clients and their developers like Jagex have been spouting about for a while now and with every month the deadline seems to be pushed further and further back and why I think they will never permanently put an end to them for monetary reasons.

That's not what I'm trying to state however, do you not think that these 'bot nukes' are perfect for Jagex? Think about it, they are thus far not actually permanent and therefore they still get to keep botters and their membership after a few weeks/months of downtime and continue to make the legitimate Runescape community happy because it promotes that Jagex are actually trying and do care about the game. It's a win win situation for them.

 

Well, the nuke was effective at removing most bots for 4-6 months, however after injection got fixed there wasn't much effort to fight them. Also, Mod Emilee stated that it's not like an instant press of a button and all the bots disappear like last nuke, they said it's a long ongoing process to fight them and reduce their numbers. So yeah, as much as I'd absolutely love to see RS botting left to color bots alone, this won't happen unless Jagex really comes up with something very clever. Especially now that OpenGL bots have started to surface, and more OGL bots are being developed (such as Simba), which so far have been untouched by the installation of the Optimus platform that nuked injection for a week or two. So if whatever they have planned is aimed at injection bots, and they find a longterm way of dealing with them, it's only a few weeks or months before someone develops more OGL clients to replace the old injection bots.

Basically, there will ALWAYS be bots for Runescape, no matter what Jagex does, even if they somehow managed to completely stop injection/reflection, AND OpenGL, there's no way to completely stop color bots, because they play the game the same way humans do, so the only way to keep color bots from playing RS, is to change the game to the point where even humans cannot identify objects or items in game, which we all know won't happen.

 

most intelligent thing anyone has posted so far. almost everyone else has made a fool out of themselves in my eyes.

 

The Bot Nuke was in fact very effective. It knocked Reflection/Injection bots for about 6 months which is a lot of time. Permanently removing bots is nearly impossible so even if JaGeX wanted to remove them permanently, they would've not been able to.

Before the first Bot Nuke, there was also more, much more bots than there are now. Its just not possible to permanently remove bots which is why they keep coming back and JaGeX keeps fighting back.

 

without bots runescape would be fucked. that's my opinion.

 

I'm on the fence about bots. While I think certain skill should definitely be less grindy and more fun (Any skill except combat and very specific non-cb skills.), bots do not always make runescape better. They make money making significantly harder in some ways, and they make skilling harder as well. Can't chop yews without competition from 10 other bots, and can't kill dragons without the very same. Noone will ever convince me that bots are in okay in that sense. But I've used them in the past myself, for skills that I really hate. (Firemaking, for example. Who the heck wants to do that?)

Also, agreed 100% with Grrr. Many (If not all.) of these new updates are entirely because of IVP. I heard somewhere that they control 55% of RuneScape investment shares? That number may be wrong, but they have a pretty damn large amount of influence in Jagex and RuneScape. If you think Jagex (Who used to care about the community.) is doing this all out of pure greed, you are probably wrong. They were making plenty of money before IVP stepped in and screwed the players.