Islam.

do you know the saying, dont judge a book by its cover?

that thread has inside of it the defense against your Islam = violent killers theory.

how about you take a look before dismissing it immediately like a fool?

 

there will always be war and violence independent of religion.

there are millions of opinions out there, what makes you think yours is right?
see what i did there?

 

I don't mind any religion so long as it's not forced into society.

Muslims always seem to try and make it work for them instead of just blending in like the rest of the world, it really isn't hard to do.

 

I'm confused, what do you mean by force people?
There is a messenge to be told and some people choose to spread the message. Yes I'm muslim and proud to be. We don't have any problem with the bible and respect it and we even belive in Jesus.
Yes ofc there is alot of religions and they all say they are right. But right there it's up to you to do some research and find the truth about every religion.
@up
The Holy quran is written in classic arabic language. And when it's get translated it's not a Holy book anymore. The Holy quran is not very easy to understand, so when someone translate it it will be more opinions and it will lose the message of it. Well thats how i see it.

Peace

 

There is maybe 1% of Muslim's who try to force their religion onto others. Oh and guess what there is probably the same number of Atheist's, Christian's, Catholic's, and Jew's who try to force their belief's on others.

Unless you have Muslims's come up to you daily and try to preach it to you non-stop don't go making bullshit comments.

 

I went to my university library and looked up the quotes in the Quran myself.

they are there, fuck off.


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I'm sorry, but you're a fucking idiot. take one look at Europe and tell me that Muslims aren't trying to take over. THEY ARE ENFORCING SHARIA LAW IN SMALL PARTS OF EUROPE.

Liberal dumbfucks such as yourself don't understand the world as it really its. It's not all flowers and daisy's.

 

Divine, you have to understand that the Quran is divided into parts, and the verses you are referring to are meant to be interpreted during the time of WAR.

The Quran clearly does not preach to kill people of different religions, when the Ottoman Empire was spreading Islam throughout the world, people had 2 options: 1. Convert to Islam or 2. Remain whatever religion you are, but you must pay a tax.

The Quran also says that if you kill an innocent human being it is as if you have killed all of mankind.

 

A non believer of Islam isn't innocent through the eyes of the Quran.

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I'm reading the quran on my desk and it seems that there are quotes about conquest in every chapter I have read.

 

Anything that preaches hate towards women, homosexuals, and anyone different for that matter is HATE SPEECH.

Actions speak louder then words, and so far, islam has been yelling of war and chaos.

 

Divine_God, you are not here to learn about Islam. You are here to share your intolerant views. Who the FUCK are you to say "A non believer of Islam isn't innocent through the eyes of the Quran" ? Where are you getting this information from? Please go spread your hate somewhere else.

oh and btw let's see what the Bible has to say about Women.

"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)

"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

 

Who the fuck am I?

I'm someone who looks at facts and observes them logically to understand the world around me.

Religion is a corruption on man.

This is why I'm an Athiest.


I was originally here to ask you, how you feel about the FACT that Islam has been horrid on this planet, and all you have responded with is that it isn't. The fact is that you have been raised in a liberalized household and don't follow all of the teachings because they don't conform to today's society.

Be a fucking man and agree that religion is corrupt.

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Calling me intolerant? Take a fucking read kid.


Don't be offended by what I have to say about your religion. Read what Pat Condell has to say about religion in terms of "insulting".

Ok, this is a quick video for those, mainly Christians and Muslims who keep telling me for reasons I can never quite fathom that I have no right to insult their religion. I don’t know who made up that rule when nobody was looking and apparently somebody did so let me give you my perspective on it, now if I may. I give your religion as much respect as your religion gives me, there’s nothing complicated about it, and I have every right to insult a religion that goes out of it’s way to insult, to judge, and to condemn me as an inadequate human being, which your religion does with self righteous gusto. When it comes to insults your religion started this, not me. If your religion kept it’s big mouth shut so would I. But give that it doesn’t and given the enormous harm that your religion has done in this world. I’d say that not only do I have a right, but a duty to insult it, as does every rationale thinking person on this planet. In fact, I think it should be compulsorily for everyone to insult your religion everyday. LYBIO.net No! Not everyday! Five times everyday! Oh! What the hell, ten times! One for each commandment! And even that wouldn’t be enough. Because the moment that your religion claims any kind of jurisdiction over my experience, you insult me on a level that you can’t even begin to comprehend. Even if your beliefs had substance the arrogance of that would be insult enough. But the fact that they have no substance. And are merely a transparent raft of delusions and lies, magnifies the insult enormously. And for this reason, not only do I have a perfect right to insult your religion, I have a right to insult you personally the moment I have to hear about your Paxy religion.

[Patrick Condell (born 23 November 1949)] Source: LYBIO.net
The moment you offer me any kind of scripture based opinion about what I should believe or the values I should hold or especially the morals I should exhibit, then you should expect to be graphically and comprehensively insulted for your trouble and I sincerely hope it hurts your feelings, harms your emotional well being, and damages your self image to the extent that you have to go and lie down for ten minutes before you can even pray. If I am not allowed to express my sincerely held belief that your religion is a crock of dangerous evil, dehumanizing superstitious garbage, then it seems to me that I don’t have religious freedom but you do, because I can assure you that I hold that view with a passion and a solemn intensity that can match anything that you’ve got to offer, it is for me a core defining belief, and a pillar of my whole reality, an absolutely unshakable fundamental conviction that resonates to every fiber of my being that your religion is in fact a crook of dangerous evil, dehumanizing superstitious garbage, that pollutes and degrades the world that I have to live in, and I’m not happy about it. and I feel morally obliged and compelled to make this known and loudly and often, irregardless about who claims to be offended because not to do so would violate every I am and everything I believe in, I wouldn’t be able to live with myself, I feel like a liar and a coward and well, something of a morale cockroach and that would weigh heavily on my conscious, I’m sure you understand. Peace.

 

All religions cause suffering, islam isn't unique in that sense. However, it seems to be interpreted by its followers as a pretty violent religion. It doesn't seem like there is much room moderates in islam.

 

Do you really think all of these problems we see are because of religion? Get real, buddy. It's all politics, the war in Iraq caused 1.6 million innocent people to die. Oh, but you don't hear about that.... You hear about the kid who blows himself up because he's seen his family slaughtered and gets influenced by corrupt leaders that are found all throughout the Middle East.

The general population in most of the places where you see terrorism is kept in ignorance, and that isn't a coincidence. Obviously, it's sad to see how religion can be misinterpreted in such a horrid way. However, how about those who kill in the name of money, control, and power? Thats fine?

Conflict is in human nature, if there was no religion, we would find something else to fight about.

 

Why do you continue to deflect questioning and criticism of Islam by insulting a religion this thread isn't discussing or entirely switching to another subject? It seems to me you have no way to defend yourself or the religion you praise.

 

I posted that because I felt as if he was attacking Islam directly, I didn't realize he was an Atheist. I made a mistake by posting that.

As for Islam abusing women, the Quran does not tolerate it. The Quran actually highly respects women, which is why 4 out of 5 converts in the west are women.

It is very sad for me to see women being abused by arrogant men who try to justify themselves by using the Quran. The veils that they were that cover their faces is a product of culture, not religion.

 

Which is totally false, look at paleolithic tribes, they fought amongst themselves all of the time and they couldn't speak or convey religious notion. While I agree religions breed violence, it isn't an explicit cause of violence in the world as you claim. You just seem to be a very ignorant, close-minded, and stereotypical person. I would recommend to you developing your own opinions and actually knowing what you are talking about before you say anything.

 

I may have been wrong in saying that, but religion has caused alot more trouble then it has resolved.

This thread asked for questions and or opinions. So don't go punching out statements of close minded and stereotypical. This is MY opinion of what I think of islam. Because you don't agree with MY views that doesn't make me ignorant.How about you give your view on the topic instead of flaming.

From the people that I have encountered and have dealt with, that have followed islam, they have given me nothing to speak well of in this religion. As I've said previously, I don't have a problem if they choose to move to a western country and blend in. But in a lot of cases they don't, this is what I disagree with.

I have probably gone off topic here, I'm sure islam do have some great views on the world, but many of the people that follow it do not betray them well.

 

The Tank Kid, i am sorry you have not had pleasant experiences with Muslims. But I do not understand what you are trying to say? I did not have pleasant experience with certain Christians but then again most of my best friends are Christian. It would be unfair to judge each person's individual behavior based on the religion they claim to follow.

And you are right, many people do not portray Muslims well, and that is a very sad thing. But, why should we "blend" in? Muslims should and will continue to practice their religion because that right is guaranteed to us by the Constitution. (if you're American) Just because other religions have been distorted and commercialized does not mean that Islam should do that too. The Muslims you see who are radical, and try to impose Sharia law on their countries are wrong in doing so.. Because the Quran says that you must abide by the laws of the Country in which you live.

I appreciate your input though and if you have any more questions or comments please do share

 

What exactly is sharia law?

I saw a 60minutes episode on islam so isnt parts of sharia law a good thing because it says things like "be a good person" in it?

There's shitty parts to it sure, but you can say that for everything.

 

I wouldn't agree with that, religion has been the foundations for modern society.. it has shown people morals & values.. the right way of life. I'm glad I took part in this as a kid.. it set me on the right path. I know for a fact that Religion kept me back from doing stupid stuff until I was old enough to work things out for myself.

As for Islam - it always has been one of the biggest religions in the world, Christianity was fearful of it's rise and so began war between the 2 religions. It's worth noting that Christians tried to colonise Muslim areas in an attempt to destroy their way of life.. sounds alot like what is alleged to be happening now.. only the other way around.

The media portrayal of Islam and all these clowns you see on tv talking about it - all stupid redneck assholes who are influencing the American people and twisting things to make it look like Muslims are bad and we are good.

I don't blame Religion for wars - I blame GOVERNMENTS and their sneaky fucking agendas which fuck shit up for everybody else.