Is homophobia a bad thing?

There is a difference between an endeavor and an action being completed, I wouldn't say it's big, it's just the attempted action hasn't been completed. That's like me attempting to jump a hurdle, and actually jumping over it.

There are no receptors in the anus that give off stimulus pleasure, as a vagina does. Two women can't make a baby without the unnatural process of looking for a male sperm donor. If you can't use this basic understanding to come to the conclusion of this being unintended, then I have no hope for you.

Surely you can see the connection of why it's not bad.

Supporting slavery is opposing prejudice, opposing slavery is supporting prejudice.

You're naive to believe we can accomplish peace among the differences people share.

What phobia? The modern definition of homophobia is the disagreement, or loathe for it.

 

I need to break this down.

Actually, it's more like growing taller and trying to grow taller. Jumping a hurdle would require the person to have the power to overcome the hurdle. Thus, being able. Growing taller however, is outside of a persons ability.

"People may experience pleasure from anal sex by stimulation of the anal nerve endings, and orgasm may be achieved through anal penetration – by indirect stimulation of the prostate in men"

How also did you manage to read what I said and throw that back? I said there's a difference between copulating and conceiving a child naturally. Whether or not you argue that point, it's not fact that same sex shouldn't copulate. It's opinion, based on conception.

I don't even know how to respond to this. Is it a of tolerating the intolerant?

How is opposing slavery supporting prejudice?

It is prejudice to support slavery. It is not prejudice to oppose it. Please let me know if I'm interpreting this wrong.

I personally don't believe we can achieve it as a whole, but I think there's room for improvement. Is that naive?

So really, it has very little impact on your life. But has a massive impact on theirs.

It doesn't directly affect you, yet only when you actually think about it, it disgusts you.

If there's a particular drink you dislike, others drinking it literally has the same impact on your life.

It is incredibly selfish for you to want other people to suffer so there can be very little change in your life..

 

Learn to reading comprehension bro.

At first I actually put up a notice on my first post saying "please make sure not to reply before reading the entire post", and then decided to remove it because it could be deemed as an attack to your debating capacities. Seeing how you haven't read a complete sentence from my post, I guess I'll just help you out a bit my making it more obvious.

It is a scientifical fact that animals do have homosexual copulation. If you were wondering, to copulate is to have sexual intercourse.


Also let me specify one more thing:
You should definitely get familiar with the definition of sophism. It's all you preach by son.



/EndofDiscussion.

 

How is it like growing taller? You can't grow taller by attempting to.

Some people receive pleasure by being beaten while having sex. Some people receive pleasure by peeing on people. Some people receive pleasure by foot massages. The anus has one function, and that is to release unwanted materials from the body. It's not intended for something to go in it, this can cause trauma, anal relapse, and contradicts it's intended purpose.

Although it's unethical by all means, wouldn't it be prejudice to oppose it whether it be unfavorable or favorable? I'm sure there are people who would still support it, but that's beside the point I made. It's not bad to publicly announce what you disprove of, it's done on the news all the time, ethical or not.

You didn't reference improvement. Who doesn't want improvement?

Why does it have to affect me for me to dislike it? I'd consider myself to be a naturalist, and my views on homosexuality should not contradict what is considered natural by nature. I believe the human body has intended purposes, and to go against the grain would contradict my belief.

 

Show me this scientific fact of animals of the same sex copulating. You shouldn't be in this forum if you can't be civil in discussion, you sound like an idiot.

 

I now think you're starting to understand what being "able" is.

A bit like, you can't change your sexual preference by trying to.

"sexual preference.
The preference one shows by having a sexual interest in members of the same, opposite, or either sex."

This is not to be confused with, being able to have sex with the opposite of your attraction.

It does not contradict it's intended purpose. You can receive an orgasm through nerve endings. Thus, stimulant. Being beaten or any other fantasy just increases the pleasure. You cannot have an orgasm by being beaten without intercourse.

I'm afraid you're completely wrong. And are making it intolerant of the intolerant.

It is not "always" bad to publicly announce what you disprove of. And I don't need to repeat myself on why it's bad to announce an opposition on this issue.

- Ultimately, a progression to all mankind's happiness.

Progression..? Improvement .? ..?

This ^ is fine, however forcing it on others is prejudice.

 

I don't see how I was stubborn...the majority of what you said didn't address my post.
Anyway can you show me some examples of free will homosexuals and bisexuals?

 

I'll respond tomorrow. I cba replying on my phone anymore.

 

Hahaahahha.

So you tell me not to post if I can't be civil in a discussion, and you then proceed to tell me I sound like an idiot. The irony.

Here's the scientific "undoubtable emprical data" you asked for mate.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Same+sex+animal+copulating


By the way, discussion implies you actually attempt to exchange idea. Since you have started this discussion, you haven't once shown any attempt to understand another's person perspective.

I can understand how you would argue homosexuality is against nature (although it isn't), and try and justify your dislike towards homosexuality with the argument it goes "against nature", but then you would have to be against everything that is against nature, which is a really bold statement and probably impossible for almost any human being in the 21th century.

 

Definition of copulation - have sexual intercourse

There are no animals that copulate with the same sex, THIS is a fact.

If you read a page back, I acknowledged the possibility of a gene existing, this however has nothing to do with the PREMISE of this thread which is "Is homophobia a bad thing". I consider myself a naturalist in regards to human sexuality. I'm on my phone so it's hard to reply in detail, and not be so vague. Yes you sound like an idiot. It was a more fitting word than fool or dunce.

 

Just remember, it isn't because you wish something is a fact that it is one.

You "consider yourself a naturalist in regards to human sexuality"....

That's just you trying to make homophobia sound politically correct.

"I consider myself a naturalist in regards to enslavement".

Lel.


Don't bother replying, it's of no use.

 

DO YOUR RESEARCH.

 

On the spectrum of attraction, one can develop it further. An emotional and psychical attraction can turn into a sexual one. This is done out of free will.

You should do your research. They do not copulate. I've read over 20 different articles, and a lot of them said that some animals would have sex in their own way, this doesn't mean mating. This does include giraffes (rubbing their necks together), flamingos (same sexes creating nests), and penguins (doing the same with nests).

http://listverse.com/2013/04/20/10-animals-that-practice-homosexuality/

None mention copulation. Also, I'd like to mention that the article you provided is 11 years old, and doesn't indicate the type of sex. There are numerous ways to interpret sex, especially with animals. Animals in captivity are likely to act differently than ones in wild for obvious reasons. Most of these reports (including the one you presented), are from animals kept in captivity, acting out of their nature.

 

Definition of copulation

 

You've made it difficult for me to split the reply up..

I didn't say this ^

I've said, clearly that it is not part of your ability to change it. You cannot say, change it. However, it can change. Like your height! Thus making it, subconscious. Thus ruling out "a person CAN change their sexual preference".

You should've worded it, "a person's sexual preference CAN change" they have two very different meanings. Hence why I brought it up on page #3.

Forcing it on others how? Sharing my opinion on the matter is not forcing it on anyone.

You're misinterpreting my point. I've said, it's fine for you to think this. It's ignorant, not based on fact, however it is your choice to believe it.

What that doesn't mean, is you can enforce that opinion on others. By say, publicly announcing it.

Fact is, people are gay. Your theory is not fact, so therefore doesn't hold the same ground. Yours in a "naturalist opinion" where you provide evidence based in theories and non-factual arguments.

So supporting homosexuality, is saying;

"they're gay, they prefer same sex relationships and the evidence for this is fact"

Opposing it is saying;

"They're gay, it's not natural because I have a theory as to why"

I.e Prejudice.

Preconceived; (of an idea or opinion) formed before having the evidence for its truth or usefulness.

Keeping it to yourself, is prejudice. However, you're entitled to your own opinion. Trying to oppose it publicly is trying to dictate the way others live and sharing ignorance. Which in any case, is going to ruin your reputation and the way people think of you. Hence, ruining peoples careers.

The anus is very sensitive, which means it can easily tear, and in doing so can lead to AIDS. It's an area that secretes waste, and cannot endure insertion without there being constant pain. I wonder why.

The vagina can suffer very similar symptoms to this, but you're for the vagina right? Oh, what else do they share? Oh yes, an orgasm can be achieved via either. So, they share a lot in common. I think you're not helping your argument..?

EDIT: I feel like I'm going round in circles..

 

Definition of copulation - to have sexual intercourse

Definition of sexual intercourse - sexual contact between individuals involving penetration, especially the insertion of a man's erect penis into a woman's vagina, typically culminating in orgasm and the ejaculation of semen.

Ayy lmao

The vagina is made for insertion. How do you think babies are created? The anus is not made for insertion. The sensitivity of the anus can easily be ruptured, and the tear leads to bacteria exposure, which then leads to AIDS. You won't catch a disease from inserting a penis into a vagina unless the penis/vagina is already infected. That itself should prove whether or not that was it's primary function.

I've said a persons sexual preference can change throughout this whole thread. The main argument was you cannot.

Publicly announcing that you don't like cheese isn't enforcing anything on anyone, same with me saying I don't like homosexuality. I'm not saying, "you shouldn't like homosexuality", because that's a different thing entirely.

Your theories are not fact either. The only way to prove that homosexuality is not a choice would be to find a gene for it. Up to now, it's publicly renowned that homosexuality is not a choice, but there is no descriptive certainty as to how it isn't.

Opposing it in my eyes is: They go against the long established method of attraction that dates back billions of years through the perspective of animals. Not only that, but I find it distasteful. This doesn't mean I hate the person in association to the act.

 

I'm aware of conception, however we're talking about copulation. Sexual Intercourse, yes anal sex can lead to the transference of HIV, however this can also be achieved via the vagina, as well as oral sex, sharing needles, breast milk.. What's your point?

Also, AIDS is not caused by a cut in your anus. And bacteria forming. From this logic, you could acquire AIDS from having a large poo!

AIDs is caused by HIV, HIV was originally spread in Africa after hunting chimpanzee that had a version of HIV which was SIV ( if I remember right ) and that was then mutated into HIV in humans, and spread. It's a sexually transmitted disease, so what the hell are your talking about a cut in your anus will lead to AIDs?

"But research shows that, whether we like it or not, the anal area is equipped with many erotic nerve endings – in both men and women."

This was the point, and you avoid it every time. Whether you like it or not.

You have made it clear, or at least in the early parts of your thread that the ability to change your sexual preference was a conscious decision. I have merely explained why I brought it up on page #3 after you accused me of derailing this non-moving thread.

We live in a society where homosexuals are struggling to be accepted and treated as equal. Then you have people with opinions pushing them back down.

Prejudice.

How many times do I have to say it before it will stick? If you publicly announce that you are against the homosexual movement, you're saying they shouldn't be treated as equal and/or not accept them.

Giving your homophobic opinion, on homosexuality unfortunately the majority of the public will disagree with you and that will then lead to disliking that individual. Especially, in a time where they're struggling to be accepted.

Think about it, little Jimmy is sat in his room, doesn't dare come-out to his parents for fear of acceptance, or tell anyone he know's. Then to top it off, some idiot on the television is throwing his prejudice around. Sometimes that is the straw that broke the camels back. Which unfortunately can lead to suicide. And in many cases has, I'm not necessarily saying speaking publicly about it does that. However, we're back to the room for improvement argument.

No, this is not true. My argument on that matter is, if it cannot be proven to be a choice or not, doesn't give it the grounds to be a choice. So you have to admit defeat, on both sides and go with the evidence you have. The evidence we have, is that homosexuality exists, and particular people prefer same-sex relationships. This is evidence, and fact. So therefore, anything against that which isn't fact, in an opinion.

How can you claim to know that homosexuals didn't exist from the beginning of man, and how can you know animals didn't copulate with the same-sex billions of years ago. This is again, another ill-informed point based on theory. You find it distasteful, right. However, you do not have to experience it. Not even think about it, so the only reason you find it distasteful is because you're thinking about it. So in-actual-fact the main problem you have with homosexuality is a problem with yourself, perhaps you should sort your problem out instead of coming up with stupid theories on how others should live.

 

What the hell are you going on about? I was talking about the transmission of AIDS.

Are you implying the changing of ones sexual preference is subconsciously done?

If you read what I said, I do not dislike homosexual people, I dislike the act. So in me saying I don't agree with the act of homosexuality, that doesn't tie any homosexual people to my disapproval of it. I said way back in the beginning of the thread, if I were asked about what I thought about homosexuality, I would tell the truth. I wouldn't be wrong in that context. Just saying randomly that I don't like cheese without being asked if I like it or not would be out of left field. It doesn't have to affect me for me to dislike it, I've said this multiple times already. Interpret it how you like to, it doesn't change the fact that my opinion is permissible.

How does it give it ground for it to be not a choice if I've given proof of human being capable of changing their sexual preference? There is no evidence that ties it not to being a choice, so what gives it ground? Because it's widely renowned? Until there is a gene discovered for such thing, or any other evidence that says otherwise, you can't say that it isn't a choice until so.

Because as it stands, there are no animals living in the wild, or in captivity that copulate with the same sex. In what way would that change from now to then? Out of the 7 million species that exist, none except human copulate with the same sex. Distasteful = Dislike. Why are humans the only species of animal that copulate with the same sex? How is that intentional? I'll wait.

 

Let's quote your previous reply. And highlight red exactly what you said.

So what you're comparing here, is the anus and the vagina. You're saying AIDs can be attained even if both parties aren't infected. This is why you got a WTF response from me. You were not talking about the transmission of HIV, and if you were you made an absolutely nonsensical argument.

I'm claiming it's not conscious, Not within a person's ability. Now we've already gone over ability, and the height comparison. This is no longer debatable.

Let's go to the title of the thread instead, "Is homophobia a bad thing"

"Homophobia, dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people."

People, being the opportune word here. What "Act of homosexuality" are you talking about, Anal sex? then you're not just against homosexuals are you? Are you against same-sex relationships? Why? Provide some evidence as to why, are you against same-sex parenting? Why? Provide.......

If you're not homophobic, then when the hell are you talking about? You seem to be dwindling backwards and trying to make yourself look like the guy who is just against anal sex, but you can't honestly say you started the thread with that mindset.

You're missing the point,

If it cannot be proven/disproven to be a choice, then it's not yet known whether it's a choice, assuming it's a choice is preconceived i.e Wrong.

Going with it not being a choice, is not the same thing. As for it to be proven a choice it requires proof. It doesn't require proof to not be something, i.e not existing.

So you rule out, choice. As it's not fact. Not just because it's widely accepted, it's because it's not proven.

Going off the facts we have, proves that homosexuality exists. So therefore, to denounce it, you require proof for it to be an illness, disease or whatever else you come up with. And that burden, lies with you.

So if two animals, copulate. I.E, have sexual intercourse i.e Sex..? then that qualifies.


"For these animals, there is documented evidence of homosexual behavior of one or more of the following kinds: sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, or parenting"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

That would rule out whatever you're trying to say there..? right?

Or do me and you share a different definition of the word copulate?

 

I am a homophobe(only towards men), not saying that every gay dude I see i'm just going to run up and knock them up. Because I have a gay friend who is really chill and doesn't express his sexuality. But if a gay dude hits on me I tend to freak out and react in a violent manner usually.

Moral of the story: Be what you want just don't express it when you don't need to.