IP address change =/= safety from wipes

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IP address change =/= safety from wipes
  1. Unread #1 - Jan 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM
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    IP address change =/= safety from wipes

    The way Jagex is wiping your accounts is based on java files in your folders you download from the game.

    IP address means nothing since they focus more on the certain computer rather than the ip address, it is very easy to track by a company its mainly used to cancel out computers which have charged back or done something which was undesirable. Jagex instead of banning the computer are using it to their advantage to remove gold and discourage undesirable members on rs. I'm positive even if you begin playing legitimately on rs you will be wiped again since it seems automated.

    I tested this out by setting up a few accounts, one which was created on a computer which had an account that was wiped on it, and another account with the same ip address as the account which was wiped but created on a different computer, the account on the computer with the wiped account was created on a different ip. I transferred 20mil to the account with the wiped computer and then 100m to the account with the non wiped computer but the same ip as the wiped account, both from the same account and then returned it two times so it went to the separate accounts then back to the test accounts. I left it over night and the account which was created on the wiped computer was wiped with 20mil whereas the account which was on a different computer was left intact. It seems the system is automated rather than jagex simply targeting certain sellers.

    A lot of websites use this mainly with paypal and credit cards, if you have cancelled a payment normally your entire computer system will be blocked from accessing the payment option but if you hop onto a different computer under the same ip the account will be allowed to access the payment options.

    Be careful trading gold especially from a computer which is linked to an account which was wiped.

    I invite people to post their stories of how they were wiped it gives us all a better understanding of how they are finding out who is continuously rwting.
     
  3. Unread #2 - Jan 30, 2012 at 10:32 PM
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    IP address change =/= safety from wipes

    This makes a lot of sense. However, the post does not seem to address how a computer is placed on a wipe-list. I'm curious as to how this happens: If an account makes a lot of unbalanced trades but with different computers, is the account safer than one that makes a single shifty trade on a computer that has made many unbalanced trades?
     
  5. Unread #3 - Jan 30, 2012 at 10:41 PM
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    I'm still figuring it out at the moment which is why I'm asking people for their comments on how they got wiped or what they believed may have caused them to get wiped but I'm pretty sure it has to do with too many unbalanced trades from one account, one or two trades won't make a difference but when its you moving couple of mils constantly I'm sure it would flag something. You won't know unfortunately which computers are flagged by jagex unfortunately until you get wiped which is why I recommend if you are going to gp trade stick to one computer until it gets wiped, then decide if you want to continue selling using another computer.
     
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    IP address change =/= safety from wipes

    Everyone can see your IP address – each packet contains the source and destination IP address.

    Your MAC address is only visible to the next hop, as the source and destination MAC address in each packet is changed by every router, setting the source MAC to itself, and the destination to the next hop. So your router can see your PC's MAC address, and your ISP's LNS's MAC address. Your ISP can see your router's MAC address. Anyone past your ISP cannot see your MAC, only your IP.


    With that being said they cannot add computers to a list only IP's.

    However, when you play you must download some files to your computer from runescape itself. If thats the case then they could be using those files to determine which computer your on by setting each one a unique code. Then all you'll need to do is find all the files they have on your computer and delete them and re download them for a new code.

    On the bright side to those who are patient, while jagex is whipping accounts, stop transferring gold until a method for avoiding it is found. By that time a big chunk of the gold supply will be cut and the demand will be higher. In turn the price for gold will go up and since you still have yours you'll make a killing.
     
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    Thanks for posting this sorry about my terminology above it must be a java file within the downloads which is tracking it, I assumed it had something to do with the hardware.
     
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    Do you know which specific files you must delete?
     
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    If you delete those files, how are you going to be able to play runescape.
     
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    This is amazing, thanks so much :)
     
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    I don't believe that to be true. My main has been wiped 4 times, and every wipe was deserved. I farm gp before I transfer it to a mule where I tradeoff. Sometimes I go a week without handing to my mule and they won't touch my stuff, whereas I can almost know after the transfer to my mule they will wipe me. I've been through this cycle 4 times on the same account and they have never wiped me during my farm period.
     
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    If you go to mycomputer then go to your C: drive or your main drive you should see a folder called .jagex_cache_32
    you'll may also find this same folder in c:/users/"your username"

    but you can safely delete this file then when you go to play rs again it will just be redownloaded. What i was trying to explain though like google chrome runescape may have it set up so that the cache files have a unique code to each one so even if you were using a proxy they would still know you were on the same pc. Google chrome has it where every person who installs it gets a unique code so it doesn't matter if you use a proxy or not they know exactly where you are. Like if you use a proxy then go to google maps it will still find you.

    If you delete those files I'm not saying you'll be safe from being wiped as this is actually the first I'm hearing of it, but if jagex is keeping an eye on what computers the gold sellers accounts are on then this is most likely how they are doing it.

    Those files will just be redownloaded when you try to play runescape again. However if they give a unique code for every time you download the file to keep track of the users on the computer then this code will be changed.
     
  21. Unread #11 - Jan 31, 2012 at 3:34 AM
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    Id say deleting your cache, and then redownload via a VPN to change the IP so it cant track the computer, i think that would work but im not %100 sure
     
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    Again hypothetically if they are tracking the account usage through the cache then using a vpn to download it doesn't change anything.

    Lets say you play runescape you have the cache files downloaded with the unique code 1233455666

    No matter what account you login on each time you load the cache you will load that unique code and they will know your on computer 1233455666 whether or not you downloaded it with a vpn and a proxy with a masked ip or w/e.

    The only thing that I would suggest is to delete the files then download a program called sandboxie. What this does is while its running everything downloaded is put into sort of a storage compartment on your computer but that when you close out of the internet it is deleted. Of course runescape will take longer to load but since every time you close and reopen the explorer you'll download new cache so they won't know the accounts are linked.


    But again this would just be for precaution because I really don't know how they are picking accounts to wipe this is just hypothetical.
     
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    Well i dont know that much about it but here is my thinking,

    Delete Everything to do with runescape (cache anything on C:\)
    Get on VPN (no way to tell that you were computer 111111 or whateva)
    Redownload Cache (as account 222222)
    Bam...

    That is my idea
     
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    I actually know a few people who were selling gp and were wiped on accounts they didn't even use for selling rsgp, but then again you said you legitimately farmed it instead of buying it which might also be a factor in this. I'm still trying to figure out what its based on by getting wiped for little amounts/ night but so far its mainly been whatever rsgp I have transferred on this computer has been wiped whereas any account created on my desktop computer is yet to be wiped. I believe things like amount, f2p vs p2p, character level may play a big role in this as well.

    By the way if anybody is interested I am using a different website to figure out how they blocked my computer for cancelling a payment which will help me figure out how jagex is doing it here, clearing cache, cookies, history doesn't change anything you will still be tagged since mines is still blocked from clearing cookies etc.

    If anybody has had similar experiences or been wiped just post it here so we can have a better understanding of different situations.
     
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    Probably going to experiment this theory with the sandboxie thing. Hopefully no wipe.
     
  31. Unread #16 - Feb 2, 2012 at 11:15 AM
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    With all due respect, I don't think this is entirely true.
    From the first time I was reset it took them nearly 3 weeks to reset me again.

    I changed my ip adress and my account after the first time, but not anything on my local computer. I had constantly been mass RWTing every single day of those 3 weeks =\
     
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    It seems as if it continuously speeds up where there is a large pause after your first wipe then the gap begins to become smaller as you continue to rwt. Many people have reached the point where right after a trade they get wiped by jagex.
     
  35. Unread #18 - Feb 2, 2012 at 1:08 PM
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    Well, they've been resetting me faster since I haven't changed ip or account.

    That's another way to look at it =]
     
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    So today my main has been wiped 2 times, 20 minutes between each wipe lol. No RWT was done between both wipes. Puts my main at 6 wipes -.-
     
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    Never been wiped, but ive Only traded 100M max at one time.
     
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