Illegally-Gained Giftcard's

Can we get some clarifications on IF we can buy/sell illegally (e-whored/hacked/chargebacked) giftcard's?
I'm assume that it's bannable but I messaged a couple of mod's a week ago and they weren't sure.

Yes, I know that it's impossible to know if/when but It should be specified on the thread.
and Bryan, "Don't say report the post." Ty < 3


Should be updated: What can be sold/bought here?

 

It's probably banable but it is really hard to prove that they are illegally acquired and it's not like the seller is going to come forward themselves with incriminating evidence.

 

If selling hacked GP/buying hacked stolen gold is bannable I'd assume buying hacked/stolen giftcards would also fall under blackhat activity which is also bannable. However, it is very hard to differ between since the seller would obviously not come forward with how it has been acquired.

 

Physical gift cards strike me as the most legitimate source, as for the e-codes, there's simply no way to tell how the seller acquires them

 

This, there really can't be any rule that clarified the difference, you can definitely say knowingly buying a hacked card would be stupid and against the rules, but then again what seller is going to tell you that.

 

Its a don't ask don't tell situation.

Most giftcards(95%) that are stolen or e-whored never have any issues, its actually rare that their chargedbacked/reversed, most people don't ask where they came from, and most people don't tell.

To my knowledge knowingly SELLING cracked/stolen items is illegal, but I've never heard of anyone banned for BUYING them.

Typically most people who have brains are wise enough not to buy stolen things, the penalties for buying stolen things often bites you in the ass and that's punishment enough.

It has always been a grey area and probably always will be, I don't see how you could punish someone if someone tells them they e-whored the giftcard and they buy it to make a buck, they didn't e-whore it, they were just the ones with the "hot potato" at the end so to speak, and they take the risk of the card being recovered.

There's really a trade off with buying stolen things, yes you stand to profit more but at the same time your exposed to far more risk.

Selling is different than buying, selling stolen/hacked items is bannable under blackhat and scamming, buying though to my knowledge is case by case.

I have seen cases where its been argued like knowing ur buying a stolen gc associates u with blackhat and that's a ban but the cases always fall through.

It's my understanding that;

Selling blackhat/illegally obtained items/giftcards = Perm Ban for blackhat/scamming
Buying blackhat/illegaly obtained items/giftcards = No punishment

Especially now vs the past where blackhat is punished for far less and punishments are far less serious that I'd be surprised if buying a stolen item is considered illegal(even if ur told its stolen/e-whored).

It might be unethical but you weren't the one who stole it, your not the one liable for the theft or the e-whoring, but you run the risk of it being taken away if u get caught(chargedbacked/reversed in this case) a real life example of this is a pawn shop buying stolen items, some shady pawn shops will buy items regardless of where they come from, they don't get prosecuted for the thefts, they just get the item taken away from them. Unethical business practices shouldn't be encouraged but at the same time they are not always illegal.

It's one of those grey areas, I don't see any reason for Sythe staff to get involved if someone chooses to buy unethically obtained items, that's the risk the buyer takes when doing such a transaction.

Free Market.

I could be wrong.

 

Didn't someone just get banned for buying blackhat gp?

 

Nobody is going to know how a giftcard is obtained, so wtf is the point of this thread
Chicks was banned cause his "joking" was considered proof of the gold him buying being hacked, there is no concrete proof.

 

I've asked this question to multiple staff members, and I was told that I should always get proof of purchase for giftcard, and if the seller claims it's not stolen and you purchase a stolen giftcard, you wouldn't be at fault because you didn't know you were purchasing something illegal.

 

Whichever staff told you that is wrong(or perhaps confused), ask an administrator on grey issues like this.

I'm not insulting the staff here, but this isn't the first time a greyhat stance has been mixed back and forth depending on the individual staff.

Its not the buyers responsibility to assure that something their buying is not stolen in this marketplace, that would be like if Bogla bought hacked GP and than sold it to his customers and the customers get banned on Sythe for buying hacked GP because they didn't ask if the gold was hacked. That responsibility lays on sellers not to sell those types of goods, that's a seller responsibility, not a buyers.

Not how it works lol, pretty sure the staff u asked were either confused or didn't understand what was being asked.

Which is why I said above;
It's my understanding that;

Selling blackhat/illegally obtained items/giftcards = Perm Ban for blackhat/scamming
Buying blackhat/illegaly obtained items/giftcards = No punishment

 

This is the answer. Knowingly (key word here) buying/selling any product that has been hacked/stolen (gold, gp, accounts, etc.) is not allowed.

For your own benefit it is recommended that you ask a seller to provide proof of the legitimacy of their gift cards as a hacked/frauded gift card is much more likely to be reclaimed