Hypocrisy at it's finest..

Look, I am posting this because I was made seriously upset in regards to a suggestion I made. Now I know, suggestions can be declined, but in a fishy manner such as this? I don't know what I can gain by posting this, but I want to try and see, because I did not make that suggestion half-heartedly. I thought it was really something many of us Sythe users would appreaciate and benefit from. And it was declined simply because some people were too lazy?

First off: My suggestion was locked with this statement:

secondly, I would like to mention the certain thread about high profile scammers; there information is displayed there up to a degree of legal issue. And yes you are breaching Privacy Law in many countries. This thread is put there by the owner of the site, to warn us all and show us who these people are. I think in making a list of current and onwards, containing a list of people and a brief explanation of why they were banned, could be extremely beneficial to all of us.

You say it is up to them to tell us why they were banned? I don't think they're going to tell me when they're prepping up to rip me off of 50-60-200+$.. Some people won't find exactly what they're looking for when searching the user, and will see nothing wrong with them, therefore having no reason to distrust them. BUT, if there were a simple list we could go to, hit CTRL+F, and know, why wouldn't it be a good idea?

If they didn't want us to know, then they shouldn't have done it. We wouldn't be breaching any security/privacy issues, and as loyal members of your forum, I think we deserve to know who we can trust.

The excuse that "It's too much work" should not be a valid excuse. I'm sure you could easily find someone to mod it, etc. This just shows as to what lengths your willing to go for the safety of your more loyal members, the people who really make this site what it is.

I think in making a list, it would greatly deter those who are thinking about scamming others as well.

Now, I know I'm new to this site, but I'm not just some snot nose kid with what I think is a "BRIGHT IDEA". This is an issue that I feel strongly about, and feel that it deserves, at least, another look, and maybe a few words passed around..

So In short, I'm not asking for trouble, I'm asking only that you offer some soft of explanation besides, it's too much work, and scammers, hackers, etc. deserve all privacy and privileges of harming us again. and maybe a second look at what I think is something very valid, and worth more than the answer and lock I received.

Thank you for taking your time to read over this, and thank you for considering my thoughts and your well thought out answers.

Sincerely, Concerned.

P.S. Maybe you could take the thought and modify it? Not EVERYONE has to go on, just people we should watch out for? [Excluding spammers, minor incidents, etc.]

 

Just ask a link to their profile.. You don't need to see who's banned; just who's not. It's not the fact that it's too much work to post something like that, it's unnecessary. You can just get a link to the persons profile, look at their vouches, maybe even use an MM.

The high profile scammers are being sought out so they don't get away with thousands again. They can't think it's ok to scam behind a computer and feel safe about it.

 

You joined in Feb 09... I wouldn't really start claiming yourself as a 'loyal' member >_O

This whole thread is way OTT. Your suggestion got denied: let that be the end of it.

 

Yes but there is still the problem that I can't differentiate between those who got banned for spamming etc, and stealing or worse. And in my short time here, I've learnt that vouchs mean almost nothing. Also brings up one of my original points, what if I had them added on MSN, didn't know they were banned and decided to make a trade with them, or I knew they were banned, and though maybe I could still somewhat trust them. Maybe not me personally, but what about our younger users? I know we don't all need the safety blanket, but it's always good to have it?

First off, I mentioned above I was new, so you don't have to spam my damn thread repeating me like a 2$ parrot.. Next time you decide to spam one of my threads with ignorant BS to get your post count up, go take a long walk.. Off a 500-foot building first.

I never mentioned myself as a Loyal User here, yes I am new. But I'm also old enough to call shit properly when I see it. I'm voicing an opinion, and if I'm correct I have the right to do so in this section. I was speaking for the safety of everyone here, not just myself. Not everyone here just thinks of themselves verts.

So again, next time you post in one of my threads, try to at least compete with my 15 month-old daughter..


Thank you JESSE, but still looking for some other opinions/explanations from our higher-ups?

When I speak, I don't speak for nothing, I believe in what I'm saying. So I guess I'm just looking for some validation/logic here?

 

Solution: If they are banned, don't trade with them. It's not that hard.

As for the "high profile scammer" thread, I assume you mean the one referring to Sigex. The purpose of that thread is not to release his information to randoms from each corner of the globe. The purpose is to gather enough information and proof of his scams to create a legal case, just pointing out what was said in the.. first post.

What you are doing is indeed asking for trouble. You want to have the staff go through thousands upon thousand of banned users and give the public a reason as to why they are banned. Not only is this an incredible waste of time, nobody is willing to do it.

Funny, you're not doing all that much better by remaking a suggestion that was denied, for a very good reason.

 

That's completely uncalled for. Your post is very rude. I at least made an effort to make mine somewhat polite. Also, I'm not spamming/raising my post count, thank you very much. I was simply making a relevant point.

 

Selfishly using the internet when you could buy a well for the poor Africans = selfish. And eating when you could save several children from dying = Selfish. EVERYONE = SELFISH!

 

Providing the e-mail adresses etc.. This list could be invaluable. It would take a little bit of CTRL+C and CTRL+V a little type and it's done.

Yes, and I'm no idiot, I've read it.. Address details, street maps, phone numbers, have nothing to do with what they have done. So don't give me that line of BS about that helping prove them to be wrong.

I made no detail about past bans. Even a list of bans occurring now and onwards would be helpful enough.
And for the security of other etc, I beg to differ on the point of nobody willing to do it. Do not speak for others, I know I personally would be perfectly happy tending to this list knowing what it would be doing.

AGAIN, and this time to a MOD, is this not the forum space to give our feedback, whether it be a negative or positive. AND AGAIN, did I not state that I thought the reason was no sufficient, and it was not. A damn two-line BS response like that to something I thought out and was concerned for, is VERY insulting. Telling me it's too "HARD" like a child would, is not a valid excuse.

If you have a problem AGAIN, [jesus people just don't get it the first time] if you're going to cry about it, at least have the decency not to spam my thread. I made it for a reason, if you have a problem, take it up with me in PM, don't blubber all over the rest of the people here.

Anyway, I can see there aren't going to be any persons here willing to view it from the other side, so I'll just quit tending to this thread unless something REALLY worth responding miraculously appears here. Thanks for your time..

I won't speak for anyone else, but my opinion of this forum has SERIOUSLY changed.
All this talk and not enough serious action [unless it includes clicking an option next to the box [BAN]].

Maybe you need to go over your definition of Selfish.

 

And again, you're being selfish. NEXT TIME REPLY WHEN SOMEONE IS TALKING TO YOU!

 

People are perfectly capable on googling the email they are trading with. It's also not very difficult to create a new email.

Yes, that's how we find him. If we can't find him, how do we take him to court?

Let me clarify:
With all the work the current moderators have, we either don't have the time or are currently unable to create the list. Said list won't be given to other users to make. If they get scammed and don't have proof, they'll just add that person's information to it anyway. This is not the way we do things here.

You're absolutely right. I suppose raising a 15 month daughter, working and still having the time to train people's runescape accounts must be very satisfying for you.

You seem to be the one crying about it, since it was denied the first time. I'm "blubbering" in response to this thread. There is no need to take it to a PM.

That's nice...

Says the father that plays runescape instead of working/tending to his 15 month daughter.

 

1. Selfishness denotes the precedence given in thought or deed to the self, i.e., self interest or self concern. It is the act of placing one's own needs or desires above the needs or desires of others.

2. Iam Satan

 

1 - Darth I wont even respond to you, senseless bashing won't get you anywhere and neither will pretending to know something. I've already told you where to put your irrelevance, listen, or stop vomiting all over my thread..

Yes they are, but remember that this game we play attracts younger players very often who haven't two bits of common sense..

Get your facts straight and stop changing your mind on your 'facts'.
And whether it be your purpose or not, that is what you're doing.

I know how being a MOD works, I've had the role before, I wasn't suggesting myself, just pointing out a fact. Don't make speculations. ASK. You make a valid, obvious point. I'm not saying either that you guys have tons of free time, I'm saying hire another separately for this purpose? I'm sure there are a couple of people willing to do it here, that qualify.

Yes, it is. And don't worry about my life or my daughter, I'm taking care of everyone here just fine. And if you wish me to clarify more on this subject, then PM me. I don't need you or anyone else thinking I can't manage my life. I also don't need to explain every detail of my life to every kid that comes on here.

Where do you see me crying? I'm explaining a well thought out, suggestion. This is something I believe in thoroughly. I didn't wine or do any of the sort. My arguments are intelligible, as are yours. But one line BS in an open forum where something with much more valuable could be, pisses me off to no end.

Again, don't worry, I take care of my shit. How I manage etc. Isn't the business of everyone here, and I won't explain. And I don't "PLAY" runescape. I'm making money off it, and quite a bit, there's a difference.
A comment from someone with a MOD title, spends time here all day, enough to regulate and check on problems, make 2000+ posts, and you're going to sit there and judge my life? I think you may want to re-evaluate that one..

 

So if they won't google an email, what makes you think they'll check this list?

Ok, I'm going to say this so that you can understand it. Hopefully you'll get it on the third attempt.
Process on sueing sigex:
1. Gather proof of scams for court hearing.
2. Gather residential information about said scammer
3. Contact authorities.

I'm not changing my facts. This is how the system works.

I believe I said we weren't going to trust random people with the responsibilities of a mod. Don't make speculations.

We don't "hire" people. They do it for free.

First post: You're crying because your thread got locked. Your "well thought out suggestion" was denied, for a very good reason, so you cried about it in the feedback forum.

I've found that people enjoy reading shorter, to the point lines, rather than the pages upon pages of crap that you have been posting.

When I read the comment you made earlier in this post, I was about to drop the whole daughter thing, but because you insist:

Let's explore our sythe accounts and connection to RS, shall we?

1. I'm a minor, you're over 21.
2. You have a 15-month old daughter that you need to take care of, I don't.
3. The only logging in to RS that I do, is when I have to check the stats of an account I'm middlemanning.
When you log into an account, it's because you're training it, ie playing it.

Yes, when you train an account, you are playing runescape. So what is more "sad", a 22 year old father that PLAYS, yes PLAYS, runescape, or the 16 year old kid that had quit playing the game a long time ago and since has been making money off of it. Perhaps you should find a real job? I'm not so sure you can sustain a family by playing a game

Better yet, get your priorities straight.

 

Directing traffic to a familiar place isn't real hard. Most children need to bee spoonfed, for some reason you seem to be needing that too..

Christ, "I'll" explain this so YOU can understand it easier. First you said you used the info to prove him wrong, then you say you use the info to bring him to court. Don't use dumb, shitty excuses like

Because you can't come up with anything intelligent enough to prove your points. You're not even on my topic anymore for Christ's sake.


Hiring someone does not mean they are paid, it means there doing a job for someone. If you've ever had a job you would maybe know more of the meaning. And as to what my job is don't you worry, I told you to PM if you had questions you needed answering. Quit harassing me and my family, what I do is none of your business. Obviously I'm not doing too bad if myself, my partner, and the child are still alive.
I don't need to explain myself to some power hungry little 16 year old. You play mod mod, go do it somewhere else. This is a forum, in real life you're some kid craving attention. You're supposed to be moderator, yet you take it more this more personal than a 2nd grader, and can't even stay on topic of what my original subject was. I think maybe, people should be more careful with choices, stop hiring 'friends' and hire people that will do there job right. Technically with asll your BS posted here, another mod SHOULD have locked it by now.

You can keep talking to yourself, I'm done with you, I argue no longer with little children, if someone is going to answer my ORIGINAL argument, I'd prefer it to be an adult with some sense. Not some kid who's having problems dealing with puberty.

My request: Can a real mod just lock this before darkgroove gets into a tantrum, space is being wasted.. And still my original topic wasn't answered.. Good job MOD! =D Very helpful.

 

Judging by the rest of your post, you're no exception.

I didn't say we were trying to prove anyone wrong. I said we were collecting information so we could take him to court. That includes his private information so that we may contact the authorities, but it also includes the proof of his scams so that we can actually win the court case.

The internet really is an amazing thing. Tell me, what does fixed payment mean?

I'm sure you're doing a wonderful job.

It's amazing how easily you're letting some "power hungry...[that] plays mod mod" get to you.

2nd graders can't take this personal, they don't know how to. I'm able to take it personal, because of the information you've provided about your personal life. You're obviously offended and I've done nothing but point out facts, let me point them out again:

21 year old, 22 year old this year.
Has a family (wife/girlfriend and daughter).
Plays runescape to earn money.

You're doing a wonderful job mate.

But I've been talking to you, and you've been responding. If I was talking to myself, you'd have no need to respond, and in which case, if you did, you'd be infracted for spam. In your case, this would lead to a temp ban because of the flaming infraction you got earlier.

Matthew answered your first one. You had a cry about it, and made another thread. I answered it, and then your topic was turned into a argument. You directly insulted another member, and when I insulted you back, you couldn't handle it.

I'm not sure if it's because you're so dense that you can't read what I had said earlier pertaining to your original post, but I did infact answer it. Not that you should have needed it. What Matthew said was a perfectly ample response.

 

And I will tell you again, sir, that I, unlike you, am I respected member of this forum, and you are but an adult who still plays a game made for children and can not seem to grasp that fact that your suggestion was bad (every post I've seen seems to agree). Get over it, not everything goes your way. Now how about getting a job and looking after your daughter?

Also, next time you start flaming people make sure they don't have friends in high places. Several mods, globals and an admin, for example.

 

Sythe has a search bar, learn to use arrogant newcomer.

 

It's funny, I've already gotten 3 people adding me, telling me that they are happy to see someone who actually has some balls to stand up to you guys. Just because you can ban us and all that jazz, doesn't mean you have higher intelligence. Just means you were given the power by someone with low intelligence.

And while your at it, why don't you all just jump on the bandwagon. Hehe, ignorant children often come in packs. Keep repeating each other, it's giving me and my partner here something good to laugh at. Mod's flooding there own forum with vomit. Ironic.

Darkgroove, just because you hire someone, doesn't mean they're getting paid. I.E. Interns can be hired and be paid nothing. If you are working for someone, you are hired, regardless of pay..

Hey look another one to fill the wagon Owain. The only arrogant one here is you, try reading some of what I've written and you'd see my point on this. Stop repeating what everyone else says. Does it make you feel better to jump to the side of a mod? Any farther and we won't find you in his rear anymore.. On top of that I can't find barely any valid posts made by you excluding marketing. So if you have nothing useful to say, stay home where you belong.

Wow Darth, are you all just gonna sit here an repeat each others ideas? Come up with something new other than the same old, only insult all the 12 year olds have on us older players. =/. Just because you're not mature enough to understand what's going on, doesn't mean you have to copy everyone else. Just don't reply next time.

By the way, KB of RS, it's stated RUNESCAPE is actually a game aimed towards older players.. Hmmm..

You got anymore of these poor excuses for arguments? Or you just gonna keep getting more wagonriders and repeating each other?

 

runescape aint aimed at children, its aimed for 20+ if you ever decided to read before posting such bs.

full support of iam satan, keep going.

 

The fact that you don't have any power is a testament to the intelligence of whoever promotes people. So what you're saying is, you're proud that kids look up to a 22 year old guy that plays runescape? >_>

So you spend your day sitting on the internet laughing at children. The irony, is that these children are laughing at you for playing a game that was designed for the very people you're laughing at.

So what you're saying, is that you'd like to see the mods "flood their own forum with vomit", assuming that it would be the downfall of this forum?

Does it make you feel better to flame a forum full of children? Maybe it takes your mind off your pathetic life? Open your eyes. Anyone that actually added you and congratulated you (if they even exist) hasn't posted on this thread backing you up.

I suppose your trying to impose your views on children? Just because you sit in front of a computer all day, means that they should too? Do you want him to be like you? A 22 year old playing a game designed for children (hmm that's been said a lot in this thread, there must be something to it).

What he's said has made a lot more sense than any of the garbage you've thrown out at us.

KB? How many adults do you know that actually play runescape? Usually when you progress (and I use the word "progress" very loosely in your case) to adulthood, you forget about playing games, create priorities for yourself, get a REAL job, and spend time with your family.

I think they're pretty good arguments. You seem to be the one trying to attack out of the pitiful ashes that are your life, and you seem to be the one taking all the damage.

What do you support? His suggestion? We've already stated that it's a waste of time.