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Fact: you can't find me one legitimately gay person who chose to be gay. NONE of my friends or relatives chose to be gay. XeD didn't choose to be gay. It's genetic, you daft naive cunt. Prove me otherwise.

please dont use the "prove me wrong" argument
that is what religious arguers use

seriously, I AM GOD. prove me wrong.

i am reporting your post for its rudeness.

If sexual orientation is genetic, would not all children born from a gay man and a lesbian woman turn out gay? would not half of all babies born from one gay or lesbian parent be gay consistently?

also, just because they did not choose to be gay does not mean that their sexual orientation was determined by their genes alone.
 
Bolded parts indicate why you're an idiot:

Educate them and bring them up open minded for a wealthy, well rounded adult

Make them read books for a 'smart' child

Bring them up on music and arts and push them to talent scouts for fame

Fact: you can't find me one legitimately gay person who chose to be gay. NONE of my friends or relatives chose to be gay. XeD didn't choose to be gay. It's genetic, you daft naive cunt. Prove me otherwise.

The burden of proof unfortunately rests with you here. YOU are the one who makes the assertion that homosexuality has genetic correlations. Thus, YOU need to prove why you believe so.
Fact: you can't find me one legitimately heterosexual person who chose to be gay. Why? Because heterosexuality is what allows us to reproduce. The only possibly variation from this IS homosexuality; and or, bisexuality (or asexuality...) I didn't choose to be straight. But nature decreed that I should be.
Also; if you studied the theory of evolution and its implications, you would surely understand that IF homosexuality was caused by certain genes - then through the millions of years in which humans have adapted from primates, this gene would have been COMPLETELY eradicated from the global population due to natural selection. Unless you now wish to change your stance into one which considers homosexuality a mutation of genes.
Either way, you still fail to PROVE that genetics has anything to do with homosexuality.

Stop flaming him for making valid points when you yourself have NO such constructed arguments.
 
You neglect to realize that >ISLAM AWARENESS< isn't a viable source... It's mother fucking islam awareness, a religion notorious for discriminating against gays. Are you retarded? Seriously? Like, I'm legitimately wondering if something is wrong with you or if you're just young and naive...

And Wikipedia IS a viable resource? As far as academics are concerned; NO, so GTFO
 
Prove to me you are a deity. Share with me your infinite knowledge, omnipotence or your omnipresence.

- argument from absurdity.
You demonstrate logical fallacy to its upmost extent through your posts here...
 
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^That was his counter-point

That may be HIS counterargument. Regardless, YOUR argument is fallacious, at best.
 
Fallacious > non-credible source

Incorrect.

Fallacious neglects the use of rationale or logic altogether.
Hence a valid and reasonable point; albeit using a non-credible source, is always more relevant.

Might I refer to you that wikipedia is no more credible than that website?
That at least, is the perspective of the majority of tertiary level academics.
 
Not only is that link dead, but you're posting proof to your claim using a site named "islamawareness" which is the most ridiculous website I've ever laid eyes on, by the way.

And, let me concisely state my stance: Homosexuality is not 100% choice.



This is undoubtedly the most absurd part of your post. Not only did you pull stats out of your ass but you're referring to homosexuality as if it were something that required excuses. Why do YOU propose it is that people "choose" to be homosexual, exactly?




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#References are these "viable" enough for you?

viable - # feasible: capable of being done with means at hand and circumstances as they are

That link is NOT dead. Refer to my most recent post regarding this. It has far more credible references and citations than your measly wikipedia article.
Idiot - viable is VERY different to feasible in their current contextual definitions...
And for FUCKS SAKE
Since WHEN did we PROPOSE that homosexuals CHOOSE to be fucking gay?
We simply stated that it IS NOT A MATTER OF DAMN GENETICS.
 
Also, did little raziaex's teacher tell him Wikipedia was evil and never to use it? This isn't a fucking research paper. All my evidence is information Wikipedia has sources to.

I'm sorry, but unfortunately for you, I am currently attending university doing a TRIPLE degree at Australia's most prestigious university (arguable).
And who the FUCK are you to dispute tertiary lecturers and academics?
 
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Not only is that link dead, but you're posting proof to your claim using a site named "islamawareness" which is the most ridiculous website I've ever laid eyes on, by the way.

And, let me concisely state my stance: Homosexuality is not 100% choice.



This is undoubtedly the most absurd part of your post. Not only did you pull stats out of your ass but you're referring to homosexuality as if it were something that required excuses. Why do YOU propose it is that people "choose" to be homosexual, exactly?




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#References are these "viable" enough for you?

viable - # feasible: capable of being done with means at hand and circumstances as they are

Also, did little raziaex's teacher tell him Wikipedia was evil and never to use it? This isn't a fucking research paper. All my evidence is information Wikipedia has sources to.
http://www.islamawareness.net/Homosexuality/bornorbred.pdf
Soz, the link before didn't work.

I pulled stats out of my arse, just the same way you pulled homosexuality to be genetic out of your arse.
 
I'm going to have to ask you to calm down.

There is evidence it is at LEAST partially due to genetics.

If it's not choice or genetics what the fuck are you proposing? Take a stance or this isn't SFA material.

Also, that "credible" article has no date, but I'm going to make the assumption it's not exactly up-to-date considering the newest citation it has is 2004.

And, are all simply denying all the evidence provided here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#Empirical_studies


No, sir, I believe I pulled it from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#Empirical_studies

What am I proposing?
That IT IS NEITHER. My point of argument is that homosexuality IS NOT THE RESULT OF GENETICS. And where's your proof? Wikipedia? Is that it?
Why not take this debate to a university lecturer? And see which source would be approved then and there?
What makes me feel even MORE disgusted at you is the way you ignore our points of credibility whereas you believe you are entitled to your OWN; disregarding how invalid it may be itself. That is arrogance to the most tempestuous degree...
 
Whereas proof that genetics CERTAINLY DOESN'T cause homosexuality would require CONCRETE evidence showing otherwise YOU HAVE NOT PROVIDED THAT. Proving that genetics at LEAST play a role is quite easy.

Also, I guess clicking on links in the footnotes of Wikipedia is hard.

2. The origins of homosexuality
Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. Sexual orientation is therefore not a choice, though sexual behaviour clearly is.

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/Submission to the Church of England.pdf

... Do I have to repeat myself?
YOU have the burden of proof because YOU are making the assumption that:
If A, then B.
Where is your EVIDENCE???
You have only found comments and SPECULATION. Where is the ACTUAL EVIDENCE? That is NOT evidence! It's simply just a quote from another person who agrees with you for fucks sake.
Do you even understand what evidence IS???
What you've basically done here is pulled someone elses argument which states, 'I agree with you'.
 
1) Genetics play a role in determining the sexual orientation of a person.
2) Here is some evidence:

Chromosome linkage studies of sexual orientation have indicated the presence of multiple contributing genetic factors throughout the genome. In 1993, Dean Hamer and colleagues published findings from a linkage analysis of a sample of 76 gay brothers and their families.[12] Hamer et al. found that the gay men had more gay male uncles and cousins on the maternal side of the family than on the paternal side. Gay brothers who showed this maternal pedigree were then tested for X chromosome linkage, using twenty-two markers on the X chromosome to test for similar alleles. In another finding, thirty-three of the forty sibling pairs tested were found to have similar alleles in the distal region of Xq28, which was significantly higher than the expected rates of 50% for fraternal brothers. This was popularly dubbed as the 'gay gene' in the media, causing significant controversy. Sanders et al. in 1998 reported on their similar study, in which they found that 13% of uncles of gay brothers on the maternal side were homosexual, compared to 6% on the paternal side.[13]

A later analysis by Hu et al. replicated and refined the earlier findings. This study revealed that 67% of gay brothers in a new saturated sample shared a marker on the X chromosome at Xq28.[14] Although two other studies (Bailey et al., 1999; McKnight and Malcolm, 2000) failed to find a preponderance of gay relatives in the maternal line of homosexual men,[13] a rigorous replication of the maternal loading was reported on samples in Italy in England.[citation needed] One study by Rice et al. in 1999 failed to replicate the Xq28 linkage results.[15] Meta-analysis of all available linkage data indicates a significant link to Xq28, but also indicates that additional genes must be present to account for the full heritability of sexual orientation.[citation needed] A recent study of 894 heterosexual and 694 homosexual men found no evidence of sex linkage.[16]

Mustanski et al. (2005) performed a full-genome scan (instead of just an X chromosome scan) on individuals and families previously reported on in Hamer et al. (1993) and Hu et al. (1995), as well as additional new subjects.[17] With the larger sample set and complete genome scan, the study found somewhat reduced linkage for Xq28 than reported by Hamer et al. However, they did find other markers with a likelihood score falling just short of significance at 7q36 and likelihood scores approaching significance at 8p12 and 10q26. Interestingly, 10q26 showed highly significant maternal loading, thus further supporting the previous family studies.

Hamer DH, Hu S, Magnuson VL, Hu N, Pattatucci AM (July 1993). "A linkage between DNA markers on the X chromosome and male sexual orientation". Science (journal) 261 (5119): 321–7. doi:10.1126/science.8332896. PMID 8332896. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/pmidlookup?view=long&pmid=8332896..
# ^ a b Wilson, G.D., & Rahman, Q. (2005). Born Gay: The Biology of Sex Orientation. London: Peter Owen Publishers.
# ^ Vilain E (2000). "Genetics of sexual development". Annu Rev Sex Res 11: 1–25. PMID 11351829.
# ^ Schwartz, G.; Kim, R.; Kolundzija, A.; Rieger, G.; Sanders, A. (2010). "Biodemographic and physical correlates of sexual orientation in men.". Archives of sexual behavior 39 (1): 93–109. doi:10.1007/s10508-009-9499-1. PMID 19387815.
^ Mustanski BS, Dupree MG, Nievergelt CM, Bocklandt S, Schork NJ, Hamer DH (March 2005). "A genomewide scan of male sexual orientation" (PDF). Hum. Genet. 116 (4): 272–8. doi:10.1007/s00439-004-1241-4. PMID 15645181. http://mypage.iu.edu/~bmustans/Mustanski_etal_2005.pdf.



# Gay and non-gay people's brains respond differently to two putative sex pheromones (AND, found in male armpit secretions, and EST, found in female urine).[24][57][58]

^ a b Savic I, Berglund H, Lindström P (May 2005). "Brain response to putative pheromones in homosexual men". Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 102 (20): 7356–61. doi:10.1073/pnas.0407998102. PMID 15883379.

^ Savic I, Berglund H, Gulyas B, Roland P (2001). "Smelling of odorous sex hormone-like compounds causes sex-differentiated hypothalamic activations in humans". Neuron 31 (4): 661–8. doi:10.1016/S0896-6273(01)00390-7. PMID 11545724.

^ Berglund H, Lindström P, Savic I (2006). "Brain response to putative pheromones in lesbian women". Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 103 (21): 8269–74. doi:10.1073/pnas.0600331103. PMID 16705035.


^
LOL dude you fail so hard, it's not even funny.
From what that source states; it is OBVIOUSLY not deductive to any extent.
Again, HOW IS THIS EVIDENCE AGAIN?
I'm actually rofling, almost.
 
i am sure genetics may have a link to being a homosexual
but i am definately sure that it is not the only cause of it.

Very true. Genetics may have relevance, but is DEFINITELY not the cause.
 
Notice the citation needed part.

More:

# Gay men and straight women have, on average, equally proportioned brain hemispheres. Lesbian women and straight men have, on average, slightly larger right brain hemispheres.[49]
# ^ Scans see 'gay brain differences' – BBC News

# The VIP SCN nucleus of the hypothalamus is larger in men than in women, and larger in gay men than in heterosexual men.[50]
# ^ Evolution's Rainbow: Diversity, Gender, and Sexuality in Nature and People. Contributors: Joan Roughgarden – author. Publisher: University of California Press. Place of Publication: Berkeley, CA. Publication Year: 2004. Page Number: 245.

# Gay men's brains respond differently to fluoxetine, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.[52]
^ Kinnunen LH, Moltz H, Metz J, Cooper M (2004). "Differential brain activation in exclusively homosexual and heterosexual men produced by the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, fluoxetine". Brain Res. 1024 (1–2): 251–4. doi:10.1016/j.brainres.2004.07.070. PMID 15451388.

The suprachiasmatic nucleus was found by Swaab and Hopffman to be larger in gay men than in non-gay men,[54]
http://www.dafml.unito.it/anatomy/panzica/pubblicazioni/pdf/1995PanzicaJEI.pdf

These are physical attributes which may differ. NOT genetic.
You've missed your own point.
Do not forget that phenotype is the result of genotype being expressed in specified environments.
 
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