Giving scammers a second chance.

Well i'd say theres a 99% chance that the person is deceiving, quite happy to watch others suffer for there own gain, clearly touched as a child and outright motherfucking arseholes.

so the other 1% that perhaps deserve a second chance, loose it for actually lowering there standards and crossing the line.

Without strict rules enforced and a zero tolerance policy on scamming, then watch this community shatter.

 

It depends on a lot of things.

Are they willing to pay back? Length of time since the offence. Have the contributed? Was it just one scam, or multiple? etc

Opinionated statistics are meaningless.

 

Exactly

 

this is the most dumb thread. its like giving a house robber a second chance to rob again

 

Its also like someone murdering someone cutting off someones leg then giving it back! Right?


Wrong. Real life analogies don't really work for online forums tbh.

 

What makes you qualified to make those statistics? If anything you sound like a retard that's raged for what ever the reason may be. We're all equal, even if you may think you're different you have the same organs and working functions as the person who completed their successful scam "You know what I mean", anyone is capable for these actions.

I think removing the user completely isn't resolving the issue but causing another one. If you can't pick through whats the truth and whats not then everyone should be given the same treatment, not just the people who contributed to the site.

 

I think this here is completely true.

This would allow people to trust people, if they are honest and have actually "changed", or if they haven't. It gives previous scammers a chance. If they scam again, they get more report listed on their profile, and get a more terrifying TWC sign. If people trust the scammers, then it's their fault, not the scammer's.

This community is not only market. The market may be a large part of the forum, but for some people, the discussions are the best thing. To be not a part of that can really tear people, because of one small mistake they made.

That's all I have to say.

 

I may sound like a raged retard, but rather that than a raging hippie. In my time at sythe, i've dealt with scammers more than i have with genuine people wanting to trade, i've lost accounts that've taken me more than two years to create, lost wealth etc.. items that are difficult to get. i've lost accounts that i've bought, all in all i've easily lost $1,000+ to scammers, and so much more in wasted time.

for instance, i created an account in 07. i recently swapped this account which was a maxed pure, 1 defence and had about 20m on it. the person who i "swapped" with, decided his end of the stick was better and spent all the money on the account getting expensive pvp gear such a vestas' etc, then got the account 20 defence and went pvping, whilst i on the other hand maxed the strength on the account he gave me. when he ran out of cash on my account he recovered the one he swapped with me, so i ended up with 2 years down the drain and a dummy account that i may as well give away as it won't sell. 'damaged goods' some may call it. Now from this experience, i decided swapping accounts just isn't safe you can't protect yourself, so i've now restricted myself to NEVER swapping.

Why should i never swap because of an idiot who just generaly doesn't give a fuck about anyone but himself?

"What makes you qualified to make those statistics? If anything you sound like a retard that's raged for what ever the reason may be."

Well i'd say 5 years on sythe gives me a pretty good qualification in being pissed off with scammers?, also i'm not the retard that can't figure out my genuine hatred for scammers. I really do wonder what that could be.

Stop trying to be a do-gooder and actually think about what you're doing. allowing scammers more oppertunity to scam will not make these forums a better community. Expanding this comming will not make it better. say there were 100,000 active members here but 90% were scammers. i'd generaly prefer to have 10,000 active genuine members.

 

I may be a raging hippie but I see past money and good's over a person, money is nothing but a material object that turns people into raging monkeys. I personaly wouldn't ever get mad over a childish scam, doesn't matter how much I was scammed I still have two working arms, two working legs and a mind that's filled with creativity I can always work back for my losses. I see scamming as a mental disorder, you can't be mad at someone for doing something they can't stop because of the rush it gives them, you give them the help they need to stop or else you're just stuck with an evader that's some what getting worse as the days go on.

 

if you scam. you should be banned.

even if it was on a different site 23523 years ago.

 

Why? What would it 'add' to the community?
Also the current system does work. If you've been here a while then you're familiar with most scams so when you trade with a non-trusted person there is ALWAYS the possibility that they will recover their account. It's actually almost a guarantee. You know what you're getting yourself into but try and fool yourself into thinking that everything will go fine.

If you're smart then you'll only trade with trusted people and ensure you have accurate account information + perhaps real life contact information. The current system bans these scammers before they get a chance to rack up a few vouches/become trusted. If you give them a 'second chance' than all you've done is give them more time to sell more HIGH RISK products (accounts) only to ultimately recover them.

 

If a person was truly sorry and could give back what they scammed, then yes, but other than that, there shouldn't be any mercy for scammers.

 

dumbest idea :S

 

I do believe people can change but in this case it's like someone said an incurable disease.Scamming is part of their character and it will always be there waiting for another chance.
I bet that even omm's can scam if they get a good trade of lets say $1000 - 2000,considering one of the party transfer the money to the omm first.(sythe has had cases over the years for less)
So no,scammers do not deserve a second chance.

 

Con artists, that's all they are.. just a lower level, end of the day the still take your money after convincing you to hand it over.

 

nah once a scammer, always a scammer

 

Majority of people scamming are just little senseless kids. They won't learn until they are literally adults. So no, don't give them a second chance.

 

Actually, disregard my last post. Why don't scammers just repay what they scammed and get unbanned?

 

Weren't you the kid pretending to have a blue? xD

 

Plain and simple, your not them so you CANT determine the motive in their head or heart.

The majority of them are just little kids and they won't learn until they have matured.

BUT for the people that maybe were in a bind financially that were older, and have made things right and have true remorse for their actions thats when consideration is due.

And to the people mentioning crimes and such here heres your example.

- You steal a car and get caught
- Yo go to court and get sentenced to 5 years in prison
- You sit 1-2 years make amends and take proper action to mature yourself
- You get out early on parole (AKA your second chance)

Another example:

- You steal money from your parents
- They ground you for a limited time
- You get ungrounded (AKA your second chance)

Were not talking about Rape & Murder here, were talking about petty larceny that happens on a forums message board.

Also, you guys are forgetting that Sythe is also allowing this to happen on the site and taking no precaution in proper ways to have have an open free market.

He is just as responsible for hiring 14-17 year old staff and expecting them to step up to the plate.

All of this is ludicrous IMO, so before you ramble off ignorances such as "Once a scammer always a scammer" use your damn brain and flick on the maturity light.