Get false advertisement on dicing threads under control

55x2 means a 55 doubles or x2's your money. In almost every thread I click on they will be offering 1% less than they're advertising in their titles (53x2 offers win for 54-100, 54x2 offers win for 55-100, etc). For some reason people on Sythe are confused about what 5x x2 means. There's no x2ing happening on a 53 in a 53x2 thread if 53 is your win.

Every time I've reported a thread it's been fixed, should just take a look around in there more often. That's my only suggestion.

 

Bump, just reported like 6 more, 2 of which I've been told were handled after being reported in the past

 

As long as the rules are clearly stated what they mean in the threads, I don't see the issue at all with this. Often times in the peak of gambling in RS (2012), 55x2 itself was over 55 for some clans. Maybe if someone didn't clearly outline the rules in the thread, then yes, it should be reportable but if they're being clear towards what they mean, I don't see an issue. No support.

 

i agree with dropperz, it's just good advertising. anyone with a brain can figure out the actual odds by reading the rules. no support.

 

Thats like saying that you should be allowed to advertise selling 07 gold @ $0.70/m in your thread title and actually selling for $0.75 because it's "stated on the thread".

Good suggestion, support.

 

I can tell you exactly why it's called 54x2 IF you're doubling the person's money on a 54 roll. Can you tell me why it's called 54x2 if only 55 x2's their money?

I had this talk with someone on the disc the other day. Where's the line? If you're advertising 1% better odds than the game you're playing then what's stopping me from advertising 40x2 and then specifying inside my thread that I'm only doubling your money on 80+? Presumably we agree that a line needs to be drawn somewhere (for this reason) so why should the line not be one that separates true and false and not "you may advertise 1%worse odds than you're giving"

I'd like to point out that the 2 "no supports"
above are both guilty of false advertisement in the dicing section.

https://www.sythe.org/threads/100-donor-billions-traded-qbdyces-dicing-thread-rs3-07-cryptos/
https://www.sythe.org/threads/55x2-...-paid-dicing-since-2011/page-12#post-30736063

The dicing section is up for 2 reasons:
Fun gambling with friends
And to capitalize on people's gambling addiction. Don't further take advantage of these people by falsely advertising to them.

 

You seem to be really taking part in a "slippery slope" fallacy. Never in my life of gambling (I've been in the scene since 2011) have I seen someone say 55x2 and mean 60+, 70+, etc., as that is clearly indirect advertisement. If the rules are clearly stated and the gambler agrees to them, it is not false advertisement as they clearly know what they're getting.

 

You never answered my question. I can tell you why it's called 55x2 if 55 x2's your money. Can you tell me why your thread is titled 55x2 if 55 does NOT x2 your money?

It's not a slippery slope fallacy either. I said that to illustrate the need for a line. Presumably you agree because you called it indirect advertisement yourself. So the line from what you've told me so far needs to be 1% worse odds than advertised. Why not make it a line of factual accuracy instead?

Also you may want to ask yourself what is lost if all threads were changed to accurately reflect the odds given. All the falsely advertised threads' numbers before the x2 would go down by 1, so anyone who was beating your odds is still beating your odds and anyone offering worse odds than you is still giving worse odds than you. It seems to me that the only thing gained by continuing to falsely advertise on your threads is the deception of the gambler. Can you tell me one other thing that would be affected by the change?

Also the "As long as the rules are stated inside the thread" argument could be applied to the gold selling section as well. As @Nino said above, if we let false advertisement go what's stopping someone from advertising one price in their title to attract clicks, then clearly defining the actual price within the thread? Do you see why it's a problem?

 

What does XXx2 actually mean? By nature it means XX or higher is x2 your money, why can you change the nature of the game in your rules, have a set of rules for the game that everyone follows, keep it even between everyone, support this fully.

 

Also a slippery slope thought process is a tool rather than a fallacy in the context of determining rules. The rules act as a shield to protect users and in order to design an effective shield one must know how the sword (dishonest users maneuvering within the rules) may operate. It is therefore necessary to figure out how and to what extent a dishonest user can abuse the rules to take prophylactic measures.

 

You are attempting to defend against a system thats never has, and never would be abused to that extent. If someone even attempted it they'd be stopped automatically as 55x2 has often times meant to represent rolls OVER 55. It has always depended on the rules of the clan as some did 55 AND over was a win, while some did 55 is reroll. It is something that is ALWAYS specified by the clan or user to nullify any type of confusion. False advertisement implies a customer/user isn't getting what is advertised, yet they are told exactly what they're getting and agree to it. For majority of my time, I've seen 55x2 advertised as over 55, it truly has always depended on the clan/gambling establishment.

 

It has never been 55 and over has been a win, its always been over 55, while some offering 55 as a reroll. As I've stated, the implication of it being 55 and over as a win in 55X2 has been a minority case for as long as I remember.

 

1: What's stopping it from being abused to that extent if we're not drawing the line? Every argument you're presenting can be applied to an extreme abuse.
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It does seem to be a little subjective, I always thought if you advertise 55x2 it meant 55 or above. While its not common to land on the number, I can see why it would be a problem and can easily be fixed by this suggestion.

 

@ShipTheFlip you're basing this entire suggestion on what you believe 55x2 to be. I've heard it both ways since I've been in the gambling scene.

The site doesn't need to regulate advertisements on 5x X 2 because you understand it to be one definition. Just look at the thread like any literate person.

 

Refer to the question I've sent Dropperz twice above:
You never answered my question. I can tell you why it's called 55x2 if 55 x2's your money. Can you tell me why your thread is titled 55x2 if 55 does NOT x2 your money?

Allowing misleading thread titles allows for loopholes like naming your gold "company" "$0.50 per mil" and saying it's not false advertising when people click on your thread and see $1/m

It is an intentionally misleading title and, for the third time:

Also you may want to ask yourself what is lost if all threads were changed to accurately reflect the odds given. All the falsely advertised threads' numbers before the x2 would go down by 1, so anyone who was beating your odds is still beating your odds and anyone offering worse odds than you is still giving worse odds than you. It seems to me that the only thing gained by continuing to falsely advertise on your threads is the deception of the gambler. Can you tell me one other thing that would be affected by the change?

Feel free to respond to old posts instead of repeating the same arguments. Also I've reported tons of these threads for false advertisement and every time I've received a "Done" response from mods. The suggestion is merely "Keep a better eye on this section" not "Lets make a new rule for the dicing section" because it's already been ruled to be false advertisement.

People like @Duck in his thread here:
https://www.sythe.org/threads/200-donor-dicing-55x2-and-other-games/

Are being put at a disadvantage because they choose to remain honest. S/o to Duck for having the only honest dicing thread I clicked on the other day.

 

Because people refer to 50/50ing or 50x2 as even. 50x2 does not mean that you win if you roll a 50 or higher you ding dong. It means you win if you roll a 51 or higher.

blank x 2 has two meanings just get over it. Go ahead and show me any time that someone who does even dicing in the x format asking for 49x2 and I will take back calling you a ding dong. Until then, you are a ding dong.

 

You just used a whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing. Address the points in the above posts or gtfo. "That's how it is" is not an argument that carries any weight especially when multiple mods have ruled in the opposite direction already

 

Roll above a 55 to get double your money. The house has a 55% chance to win, so we should advertise it as such in the title. Here are three links of many that agree with Dropperz, mine, and the majority of dicers who are advertising as such. If you claim that I cherry picked, just search up 55x2 dicing and you will see many people claim both sides, I'm just showing you that that the interpretation of others in this thread is justified.

r/2007scape - what is 52x2?
How do i dice? 55x2?
55x2

Like I said, you are making a big deal out of nothing because you believe it to be some way when many in the community believes otherwise. People just read the threads. Chill out

 

If anyone has anything of substance to add please post it. If you'd like to find 3 different ways in 3 separate posts to make one point that has already been rebutted please read, comprehend, and respond to above posts