StormSpirit is a Scammer

Scammer's profile link:
Storm Spirit

Explanation of the trade:
I bought a main account from Storm Spirit back in March of this year, this was under the understanding that the OO is the trusted/long standing member: @fpsnx
fpsnx
I resold the account for 415M
a few months later the guy I resold it to contacted me to tell me the acc has been recovered.
I refunded the buyer, and contacted Storm Spirit.
He said he's not in a position to refund atm.
I will note, we are talking right now, and he's talking to @fpsnx
According to FPS, FPS is saying he DIDN'T recover the acc (of course) and is also saying he's not responsible for any refunds.

How they scammed: The Account has been recovered.

Vouches to verify trade happened:

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@fpsnx Confirming he is OO:

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Him verifying he is receiving the gold:

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Photo of one of the three trades:

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Proof that it's their Skype/Discord:

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Skype profile ID & conversation pictures:

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Him and I talking today about everything:

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Other relevant trade screenshots:
I sold the acc to a guy who isn't on Sythe for 415M
This is him talking about the OO being Lithuanian
(which is something Stormspirit said and can confirm, as both him and OO are Lithuanian)

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The buyer telling me two months later that acc is locked w/ Screenies to back it up:

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The buyer also know's @Laziz, so Laziz can verify who the buyer is etc, as I don't know the buyer well,
The buyer was telling me to give GP to Laziz initially because him and I were having difficulties getting online at the same time because of my work:

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Proof I refunded:

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Let me know if anymore information is needed.

 

I Need a mod to contact me so i can provide some information

Skype: live:stormspiritsales
discord: stormspirit#6076​

 

@fpsnx unless your TOS at the point of sale specifically claimed no liability for the account, you'll have liability for it in the event that you cannot recover it for the current owner or that it has apparently become compromised. This is because the original owner always has the most control of an account.

In this scenario the refunds will need to follow the chain of custody of the account, since @Idolized has refunded his buyer, @Storm Spirit will need to refund the sale price Idolized paid and Storm Spirit will need to be refunded his purchase price by @fpsnx

 

@Storm Spirit @fpsnx I've added DNT's to your accounts until refunds are made.

 

i sold to @Storm Spirit this account 2018.02.07, i gave him all information first passwords, first membership pins, ech.. and i deleted everything, i sold lots of accounts, never happen situation like this, i ask him give me the information of account i gonna recover it back, and i gonna give him a refund, and i want to check the last log in ip, to be sure who have recovered this account, he dont have the info hes telling me he lost it, so how i can refund him when he dont even have a information about account recovery first passwords, and other info i provided, created date and other things, i dont have them i dont remember them i had lots of accounts, i dont keep information of accounts, and i am not responsable life time, if something happens with account expecly if its sold to someone else, and ever better he sold to another person, i told him that already.

 

Unfortunately it doesn't matter what you or him did with the account information, if you didn't specify at the point of sale that you will hold no liability for the account after the sale then you have to refund. Account information is largely irrelevant to recoveries anyway since a recovery almost always goes through purely off of the creation ip address. Just because you didn't properly keep track of your sale doesn't absolve you of liability.

 

I sold account to @Storm Spirit. Account which was originally created by me, so means there was no previous users. Saying that, I mean, that account which is sold, new owner has full liability no matter what. I have a proof, that details were sent on purchase date. So how can you lead to make me refund, when I have sold account which was created myself, besides that, I have evidence that details were passed to him. So buyer is stating that account was recovered when I sold it with all access and permissions to restore it - providing all details just in case when they needed. I delete this immediately as many account goes through my hands. Account was created 2011ish . 7ish Years from today. I do not store that information as thats why purchase is done - I get money, and buyer gets full liability and ownership of account plus all the details I have provided so buyer has full access and ownership of everything. Its none of my fault that he states that he lost all the details, while he was liable or that.

 

See my previous post as it directly addresses this. I'm not sure what isn't clear to you. If you can show me that you told @Storm Spirit that you won't be held liable for the account, before you sold it to him, then you won't be held liable.

However it appears you never made such an agreement and as such you, as the original owner, are held responsible for the account after sale regardless of what information you passed out and what information you kept track of. Being negligent on your account sales records isn't grounds for you to claim no liability.

 

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this is me receiving a message when i turned private on, the guy started telling me that he bought the account and i should be careful because it will be recovered, @fpsnx has agreed that he did that, i even have the conversations, however they are in lithuanian language, but im pretty sure someone could easily translate that for us, everything i want is that @fpsnx would refund money to @Idolized since i dont have any money to do so.It is his decision to dig this deeper or not.

 

i can make a screen shot of hes saying, please post to sythe, that you are real owner of this account, thats it its nothing about i am responsable if something happens Imgur , he does now all infomation about account and it really sounds silly, i reinstalled my windows, and i lost everyhing, so i dont have information about account recovery, just refund me money, hes telling me that, after 6 months, of using this account, and sold to another person, and that another person sold to 3rd person, i want to get a proff that i am reposable for this, i sold him that account, not on sythe, i sold him on rsbot.lt just for him not someone else, and he just told me do you want to buy this account back , i told him i can pay you less that you brought for me, and he didint accept that price, later he writed me, i want to sell this account on sythe, and please pm some guy, that i brought this account from you,and i did that, and now i am reponsable for all this mess?

 

How much did you purchase it for and how much did you sell it for? If there's a discrepancy then it wouldn't be prudent to have him refund an amount inconsistent with purchase and sell prices.

Yes as original owner you are responsible unless you specifically declared otherwise at the point of sale.

 

145euro

 

How much I bought it for:
How much I sold it for:

Can you answer like that please.

 

i sold him for 170M Rsgp at that time it was 136 Euros, thats about 150usd and proff i sent him all account info that he telling he lost and dont have anymore Imgur

 

its not 145 euro, i clearly told him in my langue, dont cound runescape gold 170M price as my resell price , i count it as my buy price, so thats 136 euros. Imgur

 

It was sold to me for $250M

 

So either way that's around a $100 discrepancy, meaning even if the refund went straight to @Idolized you'd still owe a decent amount of money.

@fpsnx your refund should go to @Idolized for the amount you sold it for to @Storm Spirit

@Storm Spirit you'll then need to refund @Idolized the remainder which should be around $100.

 

but why i should refund him? theres no proff i take the responsability of reselling this account to someone else, when i gave him all information about account, so he can easly recover it back, i dont have it anymore, if i had it i could just recover for him back, and check whats going on, account moved thru three hands, how you can be sure all of them are saying the truth, the thing is i need a proff any of them both i am responsable for this account, i just sold to @Storm Spirit without any responsablity of reselling that account he just asked me write to @Idolized that you are the real owner of the account, so he can resell it easly, but i didint take any responsability of this account, becouse he does know all info about the account to recover it. i just told i sold him that account, i am not responsable for anything that happens to that account, please give me a proff i did write to someone of them both i am reponsable for this. becouse if he brought account off me that does not mean he can resell it to anyone else, and if someone has trouble with it all reponsability comes to me, not to him. and all this situation looks like reputation is doing all thing, becouse @Idolized has alot of reputation and other stuff donations, so hes 100% trusted? how about that person who brought that account from him , maybe he just wants to get back money, and check if someone can recover it back ? and as i see in pictures, account is locked, not recovered, locked account means, if you change lots of different ip address lets say i was playing all the time from lithuania then i log in to my account from poland, and week ago i log in from united states, it gonna get locked becouse its too many different ip address thats the part of Jagex security system, that means he can recover it back by email address, or i am wrong?

 

This is the last time I'll be trying to explain it to you. Regardless of your feelings or what information you gave out, if you didn't state that you won't be held liable for the account before you sold it, then you are responsible for it by Sythe rules/precedent. This liability means you need to be able to recover it for the current owner in the event of a lock. Since you claim you can't return the account to the owner then you need to refund it. If you can recover it and give it to @Idolized, since he took the prerogative to refund the account before a recovery attempt was made, then you won't need to refund anything(except the account).

If you refuse to refund/recover then you will be banned.

 

How much I bought it for: 170m which he agreed was 145 euro
How much I sold it for: 250M osrs gold
this is him agreeing on 145eur
this is him saying that the account will not get recovered
i could get all conversations if needed, he never said that "i will be unresponsible" if the account dissapears